The way I got to this error was as follows...I was following others workflows I had found online (for getting HV30 24p HDV footage) into a 1080 23.976 timeline.  The workflow was as follows.

 Captured the raw footage in Premiere CS4 (also tried the same workflow beginning with capture in HDVSplit to same ends) the footage showed as 1080i at 29.97 fps, requiring pulldown removal to get back to 24p

    imported raw .M2T file into TMPGEnc used the following settings I found online 

Click "Filters" button
Make sure "Deinterlace" is checked
Change Deinterlace Mode to "24fps special animation"
Change Deinterlace Method to "Inverse Pulldown"
Click "OK"
Click "Format" button
Chose "HDV format MPEG file" (double click it)
Click "MPEG output" in 'non-standard settings' box on the right
Click "yes" when the warning box comes up (BTW THIS I think is where the problem lies as the warning describes changing the HDV file into non standard specs)
Change framerate to '23.976'
Change DC Component to '9 bit'
Change Display Mode to 'progressive'
 Save as template if you'd like
 Go to Encode and encode.

output file reads as 1440 X 1080 23.976 progressive file.  I checked this by importing the finished file into both Premiere CS4 as well as TMPGEnc.

at this point I tried to import back into Avid (.m2t file) where I get the "mpeg type is not supported error" or another long error (i posted a pic of that earlier in this thread).

in searching these boards and others a bit more I can accross someone having a simliar problem see this http://community.avid.com/forums/p/73947/416125.aspx#416125

He referenced as freeware program called MPEG2Repair.  I import the 23.976 clip into that program and it logged and fixed errors, giving me another new .M2T file.  When I tried to import that clip I got the "Track -1 not found" error.  The other thread starter had mentioned this same thing happening to him and said his workaround was using Canopus Procorder (which I have) to basically make an output that it the same as the original.  That's all well and good except F'ing procorder does not have a preset for HDV 1440 x 1080 at 23.976 fps, only at 29.97 fps.  So basically I am back to square one here.  I don't know if there is a codec I am missing or if there is not HDV (.m2t) option for 23.976, perhaps this is why AVID cannot import my file, it does not correspond to any known HDV file type.  But once again why can CS4 open it and Procorder open it and read the files (even if it cant output at 1:1) but Avid cannot?

gasmask, take a second look to the link I gave You a few days ago, if You're prepared to wait for the encoding time of a third party app, using the presets from the bin in that link and waiting for MC to render-export-reimport should roughly require the same time, but it is a known to work path to follow, instead of experimenting. If it was my job I would be happy that MC 4 has just implemented the feature that I need right when I need it and would go for it, less troubles, realtime, no encodings, importing, and the like. Regarding the FCP's claimed ability to mix different frame rates in the timeline, it does come at a (hidden) cost: it's not realtime, and You'll have to render a lot while editing, even moving a music clip in the timeline will break the renderings of video clips on top of it requiring re-rendering; the motion/smoothness of the rendered images is not satisfactory, to state it clearly: the result is not nice; not to mention the computer and control monitors out of sync.

you dont have to tell me about the draw backs of FCP, I actually am not a fan BUT that being said, I dont have to spend thousands more (or hundreds for the upgrade price) each year over there to do what lesser programs have done for ages.  i don't want to work in a mixed format nor will we be, I have clips from three different cameras, all shooting at a different variety of 24p.  The problem we are having here is that Avid is too lazy to support one type of 24p I have so it shows at 29.97i, thus placing me where I am today. I already upgraded in the not so distant past to 3.5 (earlier this year) with full Canon 24f support, only to find that this has nothing to do with other HDV support.  To spend another large chunk of change for something avid should offer in a patch or update is not paletable on a number of personal and ethical reasons.  Avid should just support these format, period, end of story.  It shouldnt take until Version 4, a mid to late 2009 release to be able to supporsedly do what lesser systems can do for ages.  I am going to keep trying to get this pulldown removal business to work, it's now a mission to create a suitable workaround that can be shared with other people who a sick and tired of Avid working in baby steps with their "upgrades". 

If anyone else is sick of them not supporting this format please help me find a workflow that will make this happen.  We already captured the footage in question in FCP and I'm in a 23.98 timeline?  Was that so hard Avid?  I hate FCP and you got me using this hunk of lame because they do WHAT YOU CAN'T, at least without spending another fee to do.

gasmaskproductions:

I dont have to spend thousands more (or hundreds for the upgrade price) each year over there to do what lesser programs have done for ages.

gasmaskproductions:

you got me using this hunk of lame because they do WHAT YOU CAN'T

The argument can also be made that they have full well known about these issues, as well as a fix, and just sat on them so they can build another "upgrade" around it.  The fact that all other major competitors can do it suggest that AVID should have been able to for a while as well.  I think the lack of creativity and innovation in the past few years from Avid has been reallly sad.  A company who I really respected has slowly been chipping away at that for the last few years.  No wonder all these kids come out of Film school thinkning FCP is the only thing you need to know, Avid just seems to have given up a ways back.   

They can now? I heard that when I got 3.5 and guess what....it couldnt then, so I just flat out don't believe it now.

lunalobo75:

It's also weird that you aren't showing the precapture cadence settings - anyone esle know the reason? I know this feature isn't 4.04 exclusive and it has to be on 3.5, right?

 

Is that right or is this a 4.04 feature only?

Luca,

    I checked out those settings again and tried taking a clip, putting on the timeward effect as was specified in that link.  How do I get that footage into my 23.976 project again?  I am at a loss as to what to do after I get that effect rendered

I rendered the clip at 125%, exported QT ref of video as page suggested but when I import back into 23.976 project the clip is still sped up, at least it appears that way and the audio is now out of sync.  Is this seriously such a complicated process that it has go wrong at every turn?

My best guess is that You'll have to run the console command "IgnoreQTRate true" in the target project before importing.

gasmask, when I'm in Your shoes I usually dub the tapes or capture them in Symphony and output to tape at the desired frame rate using universal mastering; if this is not an option the download upgrade fee is reasonable and I wouldn't find it this outrageous to have to pay based on (needed) improvements. Many here skip upgrades when they don't need the new features, in this case You seem to be in need of the mix&match thing, why making Your life difficult? Regarding the FCP pricing: You can't compare chocolate with s**t, when Avid releases a new version of the software there are new features added (to justify the upgrade price, You may say), new releases come every once in a while and are well worth the fee just for the bug fixes alone, while look at the last FCP upgrade: a make up with not really any new technology inside of it, and it's out after two years without improvements to the software, it's more affordable, but You get what You pay for.

Ill try that console command thing.  I dont have symphony available to me.  The thing about the upgrade is this.  I am an admittedly stubborn man.  I have been playing this game with Avid for waaaaaaayyy to long and I am just flat out sick of it.  I would rather lose performance and fight a learning curve with other software I am not as familiar with to prove a point to myself that I don't need this crap anymore.  Companies need to respond better to their customers, especially nowadays when so much software is pirated and all that crap, WHEN YOU GET PAYING CUSTOMERS YOU DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM!!!  What does that mean to me?  That means when Avid does an "UPDATE" it should always, unquestionably be free.  When a true new "version" of the software emerges I don't mind paying for that, but for bug fixes?  You are actually cool with paying for bug fixes?  That's my point and trolling around these boards there are alot of other people who feel that way too.  I hope FCP continues to make strides against Avid because maybe a little competiiton will get Avid to get off their rears and make positive changes to the way they do business. 

  I have some time on this project due to the upcoming holidays and what not, I will take my chances with FCP on this one.  Like I said earlier, I don't want to, but I am stubborn and I am not going to pay anymore money to Avid this year.  Maybe when I see some real advances, just not us paying for "bug fixes" will I pony up the money to Avid again. 

GasMask.....AMEN TO THAT PREACH ON BROTHA!  I feel exactly the same way about AVID and their "upgrades".  U are in fact paying for "S^%t" has Luca put it, paying for bug fixes is S%^t in my opinion.  If Avid really cared about their customer base then this issue with HDV 24p would have been taken care of back in 2006 or so when the format came into wider use(2006?  could be a little earlier).  These guys are supposed to be the best of the best so I don't want to hear about how complicated or "crappy" the codec is...it doesnt matter the pros should be able to handle it.  I don't doubt that those updates were planned far in advance, meaning they could have had all this stuff in 4.0 ready for 3.5 but held stuff back so people would have to pay again.  Thats so damn shady in my opinon.  Keep up the good fight Gas Mask.  I am with you!!!!

fredman1138:

U are in fact paying for "S^%t" has Luca put it

gasmask, I only use Mac and Windows for Avid, all of my software is legally owned, and for every computing non Avid job I use Linux, for the very same ethical reasons that You have against upgrading MC; but when it comes to highly professional tools not available as free linux applications (and hardware) I pay whatever price the seller asks for it, and run it on the evil MicroSoft monopoly operative system, or the arty fa@r*y Apple environment for the cool & computer unable people (both upgradable against a fee); whenever there will be a public domain linux non linear editor up to the job I'll jump on it, but as of now Avid is the best tool, not only compared with the linux alternatives, but also when comparing to the commercial competitors; so I see Your political point, but You don't see mine; MC 4 brings enough improvements to pay for it, there's not only bug fixes; in Your specific case there's the feature that You most need now, add the improvements to segment mode editing and a couple of minor things: the price is fair. Mix & match is not a long waited for bug fix, it's a new feature. Using Avid since the very early days, when upgrade cost for turnkey systems was tens or even hundreds of thousands, I find that the cost for the download upgrade is reasonable; moreover, since my income depends on my toolbox, I do not save on tools, and do not consider the upgrade as a cost, but as an investment. If You think of all the time You wasted to be unable to edit the upgrade would have already paid for itself, given that time is money. I have no interest in pushing You to upgrade, I do not sell software upgrades and I do not work for Avid, but in this scenario I see the upgrade as the reasonable option; while the switch to FCP, having to learn a new prosumer software instead of just keeping to edit with the professional editor You already know how to operate, sounds kind of unsound even to a stubborn free software supporter like me. And talking of money: how much would it be to buy a PowerMac with I/O and software compared to upgrading Your existing MC?

I'm just saying, in my opinion I think Avid should own up to errors better and not necessarily expect people to pay for every little upgrade or fix.  On a side not I spoke with a buddy tonight and he told me he has Media Composer 4.0.2 (or maybe he said 4.0.3?)  does that version of MC have the ability to do what Gas Mask was looking for, namely the ability to Capture footage shot on a Canon HV30 at 24p.  I asked him to look at the "film and 24p" settings and he said he only saw two types of pulldown removal, none and standard...should he be seeing advaced, or is that only for specific project types?  I am going to take a look tomorrow and see if I can get some stuff I also shot on an HV30 into that version at before I decided if I am going to cave and pay the upgrade fee.  What do you know about that Version of Avid and this often discussed Advanced pulldown...

I understand that gasmask has already successfully captured the footage, the problem is that he has to mix this stuff with other clips shot with other cameras at a different frame rate; it looks like a mix and match (MC 4) job to me.

Alright so Im on my friends software only MC 4.0.3 version and I have stuff that was shot on a Canon HV30 at 24p and want to caputre it for use in a straight 23.976 timeline.  I opened a project at 1080p 23.976 and clicked the "film" box.  Now when I go into the "Film and 24p" Setting I only see a pulldown for none and normal....I need advaced (2:3:3:2) to bring this back to 24p right?  The only project type I see that advanced pulldown in is a straight 23.976 timeline, but in that timeline I cant get Avid to see any signal from the XH A1...What am I doing wrong here?