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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 12:53 AM In reply to

    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    ChuckBronson:

    Avid is making a huge mistake by not having a legacy view. They's rather appeal to Premier users who won't ever make the full leap to avid than respect their user base of nearly 30 years. Stop alienating us with an inferior, childish interface that's like trying to run through 6 feet of mud.

     

    I do not understand the barrage avid is getting about this. I completely agree with mrtymcln. I was a premiere user for a few years - You say premiere users won't ever make the leap to avid... I did at the age of 16. Avid have really just given us additional options, we can float panels (for users who perhaps are used to older versions) and dock panels (for users like me who came from premiere and prefer to work that way.) They haven't changed the way we work at all. Although I understand the frustration where some users might be used to something slightly different, I don't see the harm in giving us these additional options. I just don't see how the interface is childish or inferior.

    Workspaces in avid were always a feature.. that hasn't changed. The guys at apple did far worse with fcpx... 

     

    I'll just echo what mrtymcln said, because I think it's ever so important: The UI changed *once* in 2019, after being the same for 25 years. Finally bringing a tool that has been declining in popularity

     

     

    Evolve or die 

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 4:15 AM In reply to

    • Fazz Powell
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    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    Philip Kapadia:
    I do not understand the barrage avid is getting about this.

    I was going to keep my mouth shut as these are Facebook type rants, but..I agree with Philip. I was expecting far worse considering all the hate on this issue, but the interface really hasn't changed that much. I get muscle memory etc., but all software, Adobe, Microsoft, changes where they put/hide things on various upgrades for reasons us minions will never understand, but the new MC interface is an improvement. I like the docking panels and I'm getting used to other changes, but the interface is still so much more "tight" than Premiere and it has a clean, direct GUI compared to PP, IMHO. Over my 40 years I too have bitched at most software upgrades, such as a major overhaul in Windows, but thank gawd we're not still stuck with W95 UI and eventually the lights start to go off and the new UI starts to feel right at home. But these arguments are of no real use to anyone... it's like debating Peter Gabriel Genesis or Phil Collins Genesis...get over it. Phil saved Genesis. Trevor Rabin saved Yes.Too bad Apple never decided to touch iTunes after it's rerlease a few decades ago. I'm sure Avid's P&L would look a lot better if they chose to sit still and change nothing. Instead they are moving forward with new ideas.    

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 8:21 AM In reply to

    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    Fazz Powell:
    the interface really hasn't changed that much

    Which is why I think they should simply provide an optional default user setting that mimics the default user settings for 2018 and earlier. That way, less existing users have to spend less time changing things back to their preferred way of working.

    I don't think that's such a stupid idea, it may help folks 'evolve'.

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 8:37 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    Things change, fair enough. The point is investing time and resources in GUI so called improvements, while in fact the GUI is essentially the same as before, except for docking (I could live without, but that is just me), and a useless and confusing menu shuffle. If it was my decision(s) the efforts and money needed for development would have gone toward better AMA playback, better effects management, subframe audio editing, better Mix&Match, true resolution indipendence, MediaTool improvements for file based workflows (the tool is stuck back at the tape age, and still can't fully manage media files), and I could go on and on for ages, and I'm quite sure most of us could add their wishlist to mine. To cut a long story short, the point is cosmetic changes VS technical improvements, and not bitching for the sake of bitching. No offence intended Fazz Powell, I'm bitchy as well from time to time (perhaps right now either).

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 9:11 AM In reply to

    • Fazz Powell
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    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    It just doesn't make good business sense as the user base will moan and groan if that feature cost them extra money. If you're a closed shop wherein you edit what you shoot and your not a post house then it's a non-issue... stay with the last release of legacy Mc, 2019.12 (or was it 2018.12). You can always use another application to transcode footage's codec your old Mc doesn't support. It beats all a ton of hours and money for Avid to continue parallel development.

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 9:14 AM In reply to

    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    Fazz Powell:

    It just doesn't make good business sense as the user base will moan and groan if that feature cost them extra money. If you're a closed shop wherein you edit what you shoot and your not a post house then it's a non-issue... stay with the last release of legacy Mc, 2019.12 (or was it 2018.12). You can always use another application to transcode footage's codec your old Mc doesn't support. It beats all a ton of hours and money for Avid to continue parallel development.

    I was merely suggesting providing an optional user setting that mimics >2018 behavior. Can't be expensive.

    Luca was stating the interface changes were cosmetic, and haven't brought along too many technical improvements, some of which are overdue. Those improvements costs money, as does redoing an interface. Something's gotta give. 

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 10:12 AM In reply to

    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    Job ter Burg:

    Luca was stating the interface changes were cosmetic, and haven't brought along too many technical improvements, some of which are overdue. Those improvements costs money, as does redoing an interface. Something's gotta give.

    I have now used Media Composer for thirty years on a daily basis.

    I completely agree. I have tried to use the new UI and found it frustrating, mainly because floating windows do not comply with workspace settings.

    I would have loved to have a better colour corrector, (it seems to be still 12 bit and not support the improvements in pipeline, which were initially made in version 8,) bussing and automation of inserts in the audio mixer, the ability to name audio tracks, (Not append the name!)

    Non Facebook rant over.

     

     

     

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 3:43 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    David Yardley:

    I have now used Media Composer for thirty years on a daily basis.

    ... floating windows do not comply with workspace settings.

    30 years a customer deserves respect...! 

    Are you using the new UI software, anyway?

    When I was briefly on a.v2019 version, I saw that the new Bin Containers and perhaps Bin Layouts were the two concepts that could present differently after switching from one Project to a new or existing older Project. I never fully wrapped my head around it. But I was using non-floating bins/containers and tools.

    Re: your issue with Workspaces, I’m curious if you got all the support you needed? Sometimes there’s  no good time for troubleshooting, etc.  Are you describing current, known issues?

    I was pretty OK with the new Interface. I wonder if I had far less issues because I was mainly using a single Project in a single monitor system.

    Anyway... keep on truckin’ And best of luck...

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 5:25 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    Telegram!:
    Are you using the new UI software, anyway?

    I did give it a good try, but gave up mainly because of the way floating windows behaved, so back to 2018 currently.

    I also use a single 30" monitor with the source and record windows on the left.

    Why? Because that was the way online suites were set up- audio mixer to the right, client on the left!

    The new UI does not seem to like this, but when I get a gap between projects I will give it another go.

    Thank you for your kind wishes.

    David

     

     

     

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2021 5:42 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 2019.6 New Interface Design - please roll back!

    30 years and still busy... oh yeah!

    I learned recently on my 24” monitor... that I can actually stretch out the MC UI waaay further to the right and stash all sorts of open tools there, like Find, Markers Tool, Timeline Comments, Scripts...the works.  But alas, the workspace function would not permit saving such a re-positioned UI... but I could drag it to reveal manually. I feel I got my 24” screen set up like a sailboat with a place for everything...I actually learned how to use v2018 much better after exposure to 2019+

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