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  • Sat, May 7 2011 3:16 AM

    • Jayson
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    pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    Hi,

    I'm getting a message that "precomputes can't be loaded into monitor" when i try to get a graphic with an alpha channel to show up in the source monitor from the timeline. 

    what makes a precompute a precompute? because sometime videos with alpha channels will load into the source monitor and i can't figure out which ones can and can't. can anyone help me understand this?

    thx,

    jayson

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  • Sat, May 7 2011 4:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    Unfotunately, this is just one of those things that hasn't ever been addressed. Lots of people have voiced their displeasure with the issue, so hopefully one day it will be fixed. 

    If you've lost the clip somewhere in a complex project, you at least have the new search feautres to use in 5.5 to find it. 

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  • Sat, May 7 2011 6:27 AM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    There's a console command You can enter and MC will load precomputes afterwards, as I'm not in front of an Avid at the moment I'm afraid that You'll have to browse the console help or search the forum to come out with the exact command.

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  • Sat, May 7 2011 1:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    I've been a user for 17 years and the way I figure it is the reason Avid gives you translates to:

    "because they can't"

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  • Sat, May 7 2011 1:17 PM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    aleccullen:
    I've been a user for 17 years and the way I figure it is the reason Avid gives you translates to:

    "because they can't"

    In this case they can, since by enabling a software switch in the console pre-computes can be loaded.  They apparently just choose not to.  Why?  I don't know.

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  • Sat, May 7 2011 1:53 PM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    Does anyone have a list of amazing command thingos for the console, or are all these fixes just myths?

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  • Sat, May 7 2011 2:15 PM In reply to

    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    luca.mg:
    There's a console command You can enter and MC will load precomputes afterwards, as I'm not in front of an Avid at the moment I'm afraid that You'll have to browse the console help or search the forum to come out with the exact command.

    SUBSYS MONPANE DEBUG

    If you screw your system up entering console commands, don't come crying to me.  :)

    ciao,
    Carl 

     

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  • Sat, May 7 2011 4:10 PM In reply to

    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    Forget the console. As has been pointed out, this is a serious deficiency in Avid for MANY YEARS and has been brought up MANY TIMES. The easiest workaround is to park on the pre-compute in the timeline, mark it, then CTRL + ALT + c. That will load it in the source monitor. You can then edit it back in the timeline at a different position and extend the duration if necessary. Find bins will not work, however.

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  • Sun, May 8 2011 12:21 AM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    That's the technique that I use myself, Larry.  But the point is that both that and the "monpane ..." console switch are workarounds.

    A design decision was made from the outset not to permit users to directly load precomputes.  This arguably may make sense as far as rendered media is concerned; unfortunately titles are also regarded by Media Composer as precomputes, and are also caught by the prohibition.

    Now in another part of the software, Media Composer "understands" that titles are a special case.  It always has.  You can store them in bins, and load them from there.  You can't directly do that with any other precompute.

    Since titles are recognised as special-case precomputes in one section of the software, why is it not possible to make that global?  The same technique (or a variant of it) should also support loading titles into the source monitor from the timeline.

    This has been a request for as long as I can remember.  Avid still hasn't been able to implement it.  This suggests that there must be some serious underlying flaw in the design of the title tool that precludes it.

    Possibly the rewrites involved in moving to 64-bit may make it possible to address this flaw.  But don't hold your breath.

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  • Sun, May 8 2011 12:24 AM In reply to

    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    jwrl:
    This has been a request for as long as I can remember.

    Right along with uninterrupted playback while selecting other functions.

     

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  • Sun, May 8 2011 12:33 AM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    Larry Rubin:
    jwrl:
    This has been a request for as long as I can remember.

    Right along with uninterrupted playback while selecting other functions.

    Never understood that either.

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  • Tue, May 10 2011 11:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    thx for the reply's everyone, i still don't understand what makes a precompute a precompute. because i can source from the timeline video layers with alpha channels but sometimes i can't and it's because of this precompute issue. so what makes a precompute a precompute as apposed to just a video with an alpha channel?

    thx,

    jayson

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  • Mon, Jan 30 2023 11:22 PM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    Noice! Happily replying to this thread from nearly 12 years ago... because we needed this today and it still utterly applies to 2018.12.15 (and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in MC2022, too).

    I was asked to regain access to title media whose project didn't have the effects (crash). This at least allowed loading the titles' precomputes to more easily recreate them word-for-word.

  • Tue, Jan 31 2023 7:17 PM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    That - mark it, then CTRL + ALT + c - was a piece of wisdom, amongst so many, echoing down the years, from the late great Larry Rubin. And in 30 years of using Avid, it's a new one on me. I remember him well here and it was only yesterday, I lost a very dear American friend of mine. It's funny this should come up now. RIP and thanks Larry.

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  • Tue, Jan 31 2023 10:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: pre-computes can't be loaded in monitor? y not?!

    Mercer:
    That - mark it, then CTRL + ALT + c - was a piece of wisdom, amongst so many, echoing down the years, from the late great Larry Rubin.
    Since I've retired I don't come here as often as I used to, but I still think of Larry often.  He is still missed.  I also miss his joking emails.

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