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  • Wed, Apr 29 2009 1:22 PM In reply to

    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    Hi,

    berga:
    A question, who need color and have a scope and a calibrated broadcast monitor? Who of You can calibrate theat monitor and read the scope? who of You can use the scope to 75% for color correction?

    Good points, Berga.  I doubt the majority of users would be able to calibrate a monitor (I'd be interested to find out the percentage who have monitors good enough to color correct with), but they can all read marketing BS, so the act of adding Color to FCP was the important thing.  It doesn't matter that they can't properly use it.

    good luck,
    Carl

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  • Wed, Apr 29 2009 2:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    I think you have to take a positive view. Final Cut's Color has done a lot to promote the value of color correction there is a heightened interest and it has expanded the market for grading, the skills need to catch up and it is perhaps elitist to say that only people with a grade 1 monitor and deep knowledge of color theory should be allowed to touch the color corrector!

    The professional attitude is key, those that want to explore color grading will invest the time in advancing their skills even if they cannot afford the worlds best monitor.

    As far as Avid is concerned i feel they should sell 'specialist' add on software modules to MC say $1500 for grading tools.

    I also think the rise of RED camera and soon Scarlet has also helped raise the profile of color grading.

  • Wed, Apr 29 2009 7:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    NICKB:

    I think you have to take a positive view. Final Cut's Color has done a lot to promote the value of color correction there is a heightened interest and it has expanded the market for grading, the skills need to catch up and it is perhaps elitist to say that only people with a grade 1 monitor and deep knowledge of color theory should be allowed to touch the color corrector!

    The professional attitude is key, those that want to explore color grading will invest the time in advancing their skills even if they cannot afford the worlds best monitor.

    As far as Avid is concerned i feel they should sell 'specialist' add on software modules to MC say $1500 for grading tools.

    I also think the rise of RED camera and soon Scarlet has also helped raise the profile of color grading.

    I could say, because of the existence of low cost knifes, it is a elitist thing to think that surgery is only for surgeries.

    I thinkt it is not anti-elitisit to say that you need some skills to do a craft. Editing needs some skills and color correction needs other skills and audio need a second set of skills. Yes, most of us have to do everything but I also hope most of us can recognize the difference between the audio done by a skilled audio mixer and an editor.

    The truth is, color correction is not easy. Even if I have lots of experience with Photoshop, I can not do more than basic color correction, and I have not growth out of the tools I got with BCC and MC.

    But let me be positive,

    You who needs Color, which functions do no miss in MC/Symphony?

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  • Wed, Apr 29 2009 7:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    berga:
    A question, who need color and have a scope and a calibrated broadcast monitor? Who of You can calibrate theat monitor and read the scope? who of You can use the scope to 75% for color correction?

     

     

    Me!

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  • Wed, Apr 29 2009 7:58 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    berga:
    You who needs Color, which functions do no miss in MC/Symphony?

     

    Here's two off the top of my head.

     

    Better secondaries with built in masking and tracking for those masks.

     

    Ability to seamlessly integrate an external hardware interface.

     

     

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  • Wed, Apr 29 2009 10:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    If Avid did not give you improved tools would you still stay with Avid?

  • Thu, Apr 30 2009 3:42 AM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    NICKB:
    If Avid did not give you improved tools would you still stay with Avid?

     

    It's not up to me, it's up to my client base.

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  • Thu, Apr 30 2009 3:57 AM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    NICKB:
    If Avid did not give you improved tools would you still stay with Avid?

     

    Brand loyalty is silly. People will go with the best product with the best value in the end.

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  • Thu, Apr 30 2009 9:51 AM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    Good answers, Avid should take notice of them.

  • Mon, May 25 2009 6:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    camoscato:

    I watched the podcast interview with Frank Capria that was posted on one of the Avid blogs a while back.  From what I gathered, they take all the feature requests....

    Hi Carl,

    Whoa Nelly! Be a sport and attribute when attribution is due ;-) The interview with Frank you speak of is not on an "Avid blog", it's on HDFilmtools.com: The Network for Aspiring and Professional Digital Filmmakers.

    I'm sure you know with all your dedication administering these boards, it takes a tremendous amount of work, so show a little love brother! But seriously, I try my best to cover all manufacturers equally according to both their merits AND shortcomings. I do it for the benefit of the community and my love of making movies.

    Ironically, I came here today to do some research on purchasing a DS for use on my next film as I find myself doing much more of my own VFX work, both temps and 2K finals, in the "offline" stage of editorial. (BTW, primarily in AE). IMO, HD has really changed the game. So from my personal experience I agree with BMF in that with the introduction of each new tool, the line between online and offline is blurring. In the smaller markets and boutique shops, it's all but non-existent. I also agree with Terrence from Alpha Dogs that if I'm going to plunk down 50K+ on a system which bills itself as a 2K DI capable tool, the CC functions better be top notch. It's frustrating because the hardware's all there. Avid has an opportunity to annihilate the likes of Color and possibly even SCRATCH by giving DS owners the power to do CC on a par with these more powerful color correction packages.

    Anyway, that's my 2 cents FWIW.

    Oh, and before I forget. Click here to view the complete interview with Frank!

    Best regards, and thanks for helping maintain a great forum!
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  • Mon, May 25 2009 7:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    Sorry Larry.  I typed that about a month after seeing the interview, and I thought I got there from a link on Avid's blog.

    adios,
    Carl

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    "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who only consider the price are this man's lawful prey."  - John Ruskin (1819-1900)

     

    Carl Amoscato | Freelance Film & Video Editor | London, UK

  • Mon, May 25 2009 8:54 PM In reply to

    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    camoscato:

    Sorry Larry.  I typed that about a month after seeing the interview, and I thought I got there from a link on Avid's blog.

     

    All good man, all good.

    -- Larry

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  • Wed, May 27 2009 12:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    Larry seems a good time to say i love your websiteSmile

     

    I would also be interested in your views of the Avid DS i think there is a point in the market for an affordable high end online editor (Quantel and Autodesk smoke are too expensive but DS is just about affordable). 

  • Wed, May 27 2009 7:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will Avid Have an Answer to Color?

    I can't break NDA, but there are some very cool things coming down the pipe for DS.

    "There are no rules for the brave". Albert Einstein

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