I know there are similar posts on here about this. I think I've read them all and I've Googled this but I still can't find an answer or solution.

I want the resize affect on V3 to only affect V2. (see attached screenshot).

All the V2 mattes have been promoted to 3D. I've tried promoting the resize on V3 to 3D. I've also tried collapsing V2 & V3 but all these combinations still make the background on V1 zoom in as well. I do not want V1 to be affected. (The resize you see on V1 is just to make the image fill the screen. There is no keyframed movement on V1).

I don't want to add keyframes on each V2 clip because that would be a pain to have it zoom consistently over all the clips.

Is there no way to do this? I don't understand why collapsing the tracks doesn't contain the effects only to the collapsed tracks.

I'm on 2024.10. I hope you can answer this.

Please, someone help me with this!

You're just discovering one of the limitations of the Avid effects architecture. It's been this way as long as I can remember ... and I started with Avid in the mid 1990s!

I think this might be possible if you use Boris effects instead of the Avid ones, but it means purchasing something like the Continuum AVX plugins, which aren't cheap.

I know some editors who have tried some very creative solutions to this - like exporting just the matte key layer shots as an image sequence (with alpha), then bringing it back in as one matte key file - which you can now resize within the Matte key effect.

It was things like this that made me gave up trying to do any serious effects work in Avid and turn to After Effects.

This might seem like a pain, but if you export that section as a multilayer AAF, you can easily bring it into AE using the Pro Import fuction.

This is also pretty easy to do in Fusion, which is available in the free version of Davinci Resolve.

 

 

 

If you could, please describe what those 8 Matte graphics are. Are they each different somehow and when the timeline plays do they form some kind of animation? What is look they create?

The screenshot looks to me like they are all the same as the 8th one, IMG_3282.PNG

Also, what is the V3 effect ? is it a basic start-end, 2-keyframe 3D Warp intended to do zoom-in on all 8 matte clips in the V2?timeline as it plays, or is it something else? 

I was hosing around with the Effect Editor and while I do understand your wanting to avoid painful key-framing of each of the 8 clips to have a continuous "zoom" as you put it, (without also zooming on the v1 clip) I found that it wasn't that diificult to accomplish. Helped by using the 3D Effect in FIXED rather than its default ELASTIC mode, as part of ia workaround.

I got a contnious zoom across three different 2-second matte cuts, in my test. 

 

Yup....AVID is a great editor...not so much a compositor because layers interact....individual layers can be modified until the cows come home...its when they need to be combined into a "composite" that AVID needs help or some workarounds....it is a fact...

A possible plugin friend....compositing in Titler Pro is one of its underappreciated solutions.....making these changes using the Titler Pro plugin might be all you need....its basically After Effects Lite...but much easier to use than AE.....

lots of layers, that can move independently, etc...with many many effects if you want to go nuts....

upfront...i am a beta tester for new blue unpaid....

https://newbluefx.com/titler-pro/

 

 

Thanks for your reply, Bruno. Bummer that Avid can't handle something that's seemingly pretty simple.

Hey Telegram, Those 8 mattes are a head that's rotating 360 degrees, so every clip is starting that rotation over. V3 is a resize affect. You're correct, the resize affect is meant to slowly zoom the V2 affects over the course of that section. I'm not familiar with that fixed vs. elastic mode thing. What does that do? Thank you for answering!

Robert, I've never used Titler Pro yet. So it doesn't just do text-based things? How exactly would I use it in this case? Thanks.

a Titler Pro user can make a rectangle and then populate it with video...then all kind of effects can be done.....Videos can be grouped easily, etc.

Well, here's a 3 second rotating "9" graphic that I looped 8 times and somehow got good ol' MC to matte key over a background while zooming in on it. Made the "9" text animation in Marquee. The trick was making a Video Mixdown of the 24 second 8 x 3-second loop track that was then placed on the timeline, given a Matte FX with Start-End keyframing with the end scaling set at 200. I changed the effect to Fixed, rather than Elastic and then put Add-Edits on the mixdown track at each loop point. Each of those 8 Add-Edit sections held a progressively closer section of the fixed 100-to-200 zoom-- so then I dragged their fx icons into a bin and labeled them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Then I Alt+dragged each numbered fx on top of each clip in the 8x loop clip track so that the effect editor showed there were two Matte FX on each clip. Then I figured out the correct track order, as well as the correct Foreground settings on each to get a clean key. So, it is possible to do this in MC, omg. It is also probably easier to do this "zoom on a loop" in Marquee using its animation tools. Probably a breeze in Ae, DR and maybe even Titler Pro...

....u r an animal.....an AVID animal....

Jesus, this is a lot of work to do such a seemingly simple thing. I appreciate your time and effort!

Here's another way:

1. Remove the resize effect on V3

2. Duplicat the clips on V2 to V3 (V2 and V3 are now identical)

3. Go into each Matte Key effect on V3 and turn on Show Alpha

4. On V2 press Remove Effect on each clip to remove all of the Matte Key effects on that track

5. Select all of the clips on V3 and press Collapse to put them all inside a Submaster

6. Option drag a new Matte Key effect onto the Submaster effect on V3

7. Open the V3 Matte Key effect and animate your resize

 

I forgot to ask how you got or created your 360 head Matte (or the alpha .png files you imported into MC to make the Matte) Also, what's the duration of the matte clip? And the frame size/project format. I don't mind helping you get it done if you are committed to doing it in MC. We know there are some things that just can't be handled quickly, but we just deal with it.

 

 

Robert Martindale:

....u r an animal.....an AVID animal....

I went from hound dog to service dog... much better now!