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  • Wed, Jul 19 2023 3:11 PM

    • Pol
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    group or nest audio tracks

    These days cutting reality TV is very complex.

    We have 50 seperate audio tracks. It's very annoying to edit with that amount of audio tracks.

    We can group video clips, so I wonder if there's a technique to also group audio tracks?

    Nesting audio tracks like I could nest video tracks would also be an option. 

    Everything to keep the timeline audio tracks limited would be nice.

     

    Thanks

  • Thu, Jul 20 2023 8:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    50 separate tracks?  For what?  I'm curious.  I imagine a bunch of diff mics... but 50???

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  • Wed, Jul 26 2023 4:49 PM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    iIf you imagine all the cams they use and they all have descrete mics plus main mics music sfx It adds up fast 

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  • Wed, Jul 26 2023 11:04 PM In reply to

    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    I'm a bit confused. Can't you just make a sequence of audio only tracks and then group them normally? I just did that with a 28 track sequence and I ended up with a group clip with all of the audio available in the usual way via the dropdown menu or up/down arrows. The main A cam had 4 audio tracks so I ended up with a group displaying 4 tracks of audio but with 28 tracks available.  It just didn't have video. Maybe I am misunderstanding your question...

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  • Thu, Jul 27 2023 8:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    That's a great tip! Thanks. 

  • Fri, Jul 28 2023 8:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    But stil not what I want to achieve.

    If I group the audio, I have to choose wich audio channel to monitor. I want to hear all tracks but want to combine all the audio in 1 track for faster editing. 

     

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  • Fri, Jul 28 2023 11:11 AM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    Probably you have already thought about it, but you can do an audio mixdown, as a sort of temporary monitor track. Then add it to all the others to follow the group route, but choosing this new one to monitor them all. 

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  • Fri, Jul 28 2023 12:48 PM In reply to

    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    Pol:
    I want to hear all tracks but want to combine all the audio in 1 track for faster editing. 

    Oh, in that case yes, I agree with Alara - just do a mixdown and add it to the group. I feel like 50 mics all mixed down in to one is not going to sound amazing though, especially if there is some offset. 

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  • Fri, Jul 28 2023 3:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    I've experimented with this by mixing down tracks  to a 5.1 or 7.1 track. This will play out the multiple tracks on one sequence track (5.1 or 7.1).

    Problem comes when you want to dive in and alter some level on one of those tracks. There's no way I've found of doing this in the Audio Mixer tool. You can split this track back to mono and then adjust as necessary. Problem is there's not a command to put these mono tracks back to multichannel. 

    The only way is to repeat the audio mixdown again, so this gets rather messy.

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  • Mon, Jul 31 2023 8:39 AM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    All very good tips but unfortunately not exactly what I am looking for.

    A mixdown to a mix track is to be avoided because everything still goes to protools. I don't want to saddle the audio mixer with a mix track.

    And if he has to search all the original tracks again, he also loses a lot of time.

    Ideally there would be a bus system in timeline. An aux track that can group several other audio channels.

     

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  • Mon, Jul 31 2023 12:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    If it's any consolation, they've just introduced groups on the Fairlight page of Resolve 18.5.

     

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    Do all the tracks need to go to ProTools from your timeline or can the sound editor conform tracks based on your timeline as needed?

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  • Tue, Aug 1 2023 8:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    Yes, when the edit is finished, we export a AAF or Protools project from Media Composer.

    There's no budget in audiopost for relinking to the original audio files.

  • Tue, Aug 1 2023 2:18 PM In reply to

    Re: group or nest audio tracks

    I get what you mean, but you would not need to relink to the originals. If you import all tracks into MC and were to cut with a mixdown, expanding that to the full ISO tracks in Pro Tools literally takes seconds rather than minutes. This doesn't change the fact that you as an editor may want or need to dive into the ISO's on a regular basis. That still won't change the practice of expanding the tracks in Pro Tools.

    Obviously, if in your workflow, you are essentially cutting the dialogue tracks for the final mix, then this may not make sense, of course.

    Just clarifying that such an expansion is even simpler than a conform.

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