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  • Mon, Oct 25 2021 5:55 PM

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    Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    I have been told to use Gain Fx and to never use rubberbanding on a show I am working on now.  Does rubberbanding not translate in Pro Tools?  My understanding was that rubberbanding does transfer if you keep the automation.  I am thinking the mixer blows out all automation and that not even the Gain FX transfers or the AE removes the gain FX when it gets uprezzed.  Am I going crazy to think this because I remember years ago using rubberbanding and the mixer keeping it because if things went south and it was a tight show to air, they would just bypass the mixer or the mixer would just sweeten the audio but the rubberbanding would be adjusted as quickly as possible by the mixer to make deadline.  

     

     

  • Tue, Oct 26 2021 8:07 AM In reply to

    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    I believe OMF exports to many DAWs doesn't support rubberbanding and thats why it was discouraged from being used.

    But with an AAF it is supported. It does of course then depend if the DAW supports it on the import (current Protools would) and if during that ingest the choice to retain that automation is enabled.

     

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  • Tue, Oct 26 2021 8:43 AM In reply to

    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    What do you mean by 'Gain Fx'? Do you mean Clip Gain? PT can handle both Clip Gain and Volume Automation (Rubberbanding). Although some older versions did not have Clip Gain, and would translate EITHER clip gain OR volume automation into PT mixing levels.

    Best to ask the sound house why they are asking for this. Might be a particular workflow issue. At the same time, it may restrict you in the way you work. Better to find a way that works for everyone.

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  • Wed, Oct 27 2021 12:35 PM In reply to

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    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    Both translate from AAF into recent versions of Pro Tools. The sound house might prefere to work with one or the other but in Pro Tools it's easy to convtert between them.

    You can have a look at Convert Pro Tools Volume Automation To Clip Gain - When Does it Sound Different? See How And Why

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  • Thu, Oct 28 2021 6:55 AM In reply to

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    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    Working across many broadcast shows as both an offline and online editor I would say that 80% of editors prefer unintended splices, clip gain and audio dissolves and the other 20% automation rubber banding, some sequences within the same show maybe re-cut by different editors, each with a different approach.

    I prefer rubberbanding - it is more precise, easier to completely remove without leaving a lot of cuts and with audio ducking properly set up, a very quick workflow but that's just me.

    Working closely with audio when I online and having post prepare the AAFs for them, I know they like consistency and so if the majority of editors are using clip gain then the audio facility would prefer everyone does, the reverse would be true too. As Kåre said both can be accomodated within modern Protools.Yes

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  • Thu, Oct 28 2021 8:01 AM In reply to

    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    Mercer:
    consistency
    Clip Gain and Volume Automation (rubberbanding) are two different things, though, since they happen in different parts of the audio chain. You can use Clip Gain to drive sound into a compressor, but if you were to use Volume Automation on that same clip, you would simply ride the output level of the compressor.

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  • Thu, Oct 28 2021 7:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    Job ter Burg:

    Clip Gain and Volume Automation (rubberbanding) are two different things, though, since they happen in different parts of the audio chain. You can use Clip Gain to drive sound into a compressor, but if you were to use Volume Automation on that same clip, you would simply ride the output level of the compressor.

    Where did I say they were the same thing? Do you read what I wrote properly?

     

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  • Thu, Oct 28 2021 9:02 PM In reply to

    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    Mercer:
    Do you read what I wrote properly?

    I'd like to think so. I tried to add something to the discussion, as I think of the two tools of topic as complimentary rather than as competing -- but if my response has in any way offended you, my apologies.

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    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    Job ter Burg:
    I'd like to think so. I tried to add something to the discussion, as I think of the two tools of topic as complimentary rather than as competing -- but if my response has in any way offended you, my apologies.

    Not at all! I was only asking because I re-read my post twice, in case I made a mistake, but it seemed like you were saying I didn't know what I was talking about, since you quoted me specifically - my mistake if I misinterpreted your intent. I do not take offense on forums, or try and give anySmile

     

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  • Tue, Nov 2 2021 9:15 PM In reply to

    Re: Rubberbanding Vs Gain FX for Pro Tools

    my mixers tell me this all the time because they are lazy! lol 

    the info comes through, just extra work for them i think. at the end of the day i tell them that this is the way i prefer to work and that using gain/cuts/dissolves would slow me down quite a bit and an an extra layer to get in the way of creativity. my bosses support that its my choice. 

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