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  • Sun, Sep 26 2021 4:34 PM

    • Todd H
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    Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    Hi I have a very simple question which I am embarrassed to even ask at this point.  I guess I am going to ask anyway so I dont have issues.

    I Did an interview with an artist on zoom, it recorded at 1280x720 25fps.  

    I am cutting an epk for him.  I have never actually had to use 25 fps ever before.

     

    I made a 1920x1080i project and linked to the main clip.  I have since made about a dozen sequences by topic.

    Before I go any further do i need to do anything else with the footage.  Its zoom and zoom gets a little sloppy anyway but the footage if you are watching really close when he is talking goes a little out of synch.  

    I am making a number of comps in after effects to use as B-Roll and I have 3 music videos for the artist in 1920x1080i 29.97  

     

    So I guess my basic question is should I leave my project at 1920x1080i 29.97 or change it to 1080p 29.97  Do I need to promote the motion effect and render it for each clip?  Can I just leave as is then do video mixdowns at the end and then export that way.

     

    I hope this wasn't confusing and it is a really elementary question that I should absolutely know but I just want to make sure.  Thanks for your responses in advance.

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  • Sun, Sep 26 2021 11:53 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    I'm in the 25 fps world and usually deliver @25

    so my project is 25 and I let the motion adapters work on different frame rate material, then before export I have a play with the motion adapter parameters to check I've got the best look. 
    I deliver 25 progressive as I don't have an interlace monitor to do any checking, and all modern screens are natively progressive anyway. 

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  • Mon, Sep 27 2021 12:13 AM In reply to

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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    Ok thanks.  I will leave the project as progressive and make all my B-Roll and Comps 1080p.  I guess I will see how the clips I end up using from the interview look with the effect rendered.  

    Mixdown at the end before export too.  These are  going to youtube/twitter/instagram etc.  So its not like I have to worry about a stations broadcast requirements or anything.

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  • Mon, Sep 27 2021 2:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    Is there a specific reason you have chosen to edit in a 29.97 project rather than the native frame rate?

    Jef

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  • Mon, Sep 27 2021 4:28 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    Honestly no.  Should I do this in 25fps.  I have never worked with 25 fps before and just opened a 1080p 29.97 project.  

     

    Should I do this in a 25 fps project?  What would be my exporting-encoding workflow there if I did that.  I cant open all the sequences I have already made in my current project in the new one can I?  


    Also should I then make all my B-roll comps in after effects in 25 fps also?  

     

    again I should know this but have never had to work with any 25 fps clips/video before...or any pal clips for that matter.

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  • Mon, Sep 27 2021 5:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    Todd H:
    Honestly no.  Should I do this in 25fps.  I have never worked with 25 fps before and just opened a 1080p 29.97 project. 

    There really is not a lot of difference from your (the editor) perspective.

    Todd H:
    Should I do this in a 25 fps project?


    That really depends on what the final goal / need of the project is.  My motto: "Start at the end and work backwards."

    Todd H:
    What would be my exporting-encoding workflow there if I did that.

    No difference.

    Todd H:
    I cant open all the sequences I have already made in my current project in the new one can I? 

    Yes you can.  A small bit of work.  Start a new 25p Project.  Navigate to the 29.97 project using the Open Bin button, find the sequences. Duplicate these into a bin in your 25p project. Right click on the sequence and find the Modify button. Click on that and then poke around till you find the sequence option.  Click that and modify to the new project specs.  (Not in front of a machine, so this is a bit from memory.)  This is all non destructive.

    Todd H:
    Also should I then make all my B-roll comps in after effects in 25 fps also?

    Yes.  I would.

    Todd H:
    again I should know this but have never had to work with any 25 fps clips/video before...or any pal clips for that matter.

    Great time to start.  But the most important thing is finding out what the client needs.  I would only go 29.97 if there is a need to broadcast this in North America or other 29.97 based broadcast places.  Even then, I would edit in 25, export in 25 and convert the finished deliverables to 29.97 (in Avid) because web based will be better looking in 25.

    Good luck and yell if you need help. I remember doing my first 25 fps job and being nervous.  I realized the biggest issue was that a 30 frame dissolve looked too long in the 25 frame project!!  I got over that.  Big Smile

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  • Mon, Sep 27 2021 5:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    First, thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question, I know everyone is busy so thank you.

    I made a 1080 25 project and opened my bin of sequences in there, then I modifide the format to 25p and it made new sequences so that is painless and easy.  Thanks.

    I am only going to youtube/twitter/instagram with this.  Youtube for the full epk and then some short videos to twitter and instagram so no big deal there.

     

    Thanks for the help

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  • Mon, Sep 27 2021 6:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    Great. Before you declare victory, I would suggest a TOTAL test of this workflow.  Export something from you new 25 fps sequence, Compress it the way you had intended and upload the test to all web deliverable sites.  You don't want surprises.

    Jef

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  • Mon, Sep 27 2021 7:36 PM In reply to

    • Todd H
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    Re: Quick question on editing zoom recordings 25fps to 29.97

    yea it seems to be okay.  this was a zoom recording and his internet dipped a few times and his camera did not correctly go to 720p.  I have to make due with what is recorded but it seems to be fine.  It is more in synch at times than this because of his internet connection.  Uploading as HD 25P seems to work fine on youtube.

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