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  • Mon, Sep 20 2021 3:31 PM

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    Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    Dear community,

    I have edited a no-budget feature film (24p) (no DIT on set) and imported the camera files into avid.

    Now I made an aaf, but the DOP cannot open it in Resolve.

    I realized that the clips in Avid have no information in the tape column, which I thought might the porblem.

    I added a camroll column and copied the source names (=clip names) there, then I made an EDL and the

    DOP opened that one in Premiere, but this doesnt work either, the timecodes the EDL produces seem to be wrong.

     

    Would it be a workaround to copy the clip/source name to the tape name (in a new project), or is there anything else

    I could do to make it work either in Premiere or, even better, in Resolve?

    Thank You in Advance

    Klara

  • Mon, Sep 20 2021 5:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    There are plenty of online workflows describing Avid to Resolve and this is a fairly standard process using an AAF.

    Its a real concern you EDL had the wrong timecodes as this implies your sources in Avid have the wrong timecodes and thats a nightmare if true.

    So first off what cameras were used and what files did they produce?

    Were they processed at all before being ingested into Avid?

    How did you ingest them (you state import but I'm hoping you linked them in)

    If you select a few clips in Avid does the start timecode match what you expect of the timecode for that clip?

    What ever you do don't enter anything into the Tape Name in Avid. This is resevered for captured for tape sources and will erase your source file and source path metadata that is crucial to the conform and grade.

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  • Mon, Sep 20 2021 8:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    The camera used was a Black Magic Pocket 4K.

    I think I linked and trsnscoded, because I ususlly do that, but I cannot remember it, because it is a year ago. Would it make a difference for transfer to resolve  if it were imported?

  • Mon, Sep 20 2021 9:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    What type of files were made by the camera (codec and wrapper)?

    Can you link to a camera source file and compare timecode to the same clip in Avid?  Do they match?

    If they do, can you load that same clip into Resolve and see if the timecode matches there to what Avid has?

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  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 7:25 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    What Jef says :-)

    Yes my concern is that importing the files may have reset the time codes 

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  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 10:23 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    I do not have access to the camera files. The files were wrapped in a .mov container.

     

    I linked and transcoded the files. (they have a .new ending)

     

    What irritates me:

    If I make an EDL, the TCs in the EDL look fine, but if I re-import the EDL into Avid, the timecodes change.

    I put the sequence I made from the EDL, put it on a V6 track, and compare the TCs of the V1 and V6 clips: they dont match!

     

    I am on Version:2018.12.13.5527

     

    Thank You for Your help!

  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 10:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    If the EDL looks fine (reguardless of if it doesn't import into MC correctly) it should work in resolve. If the timecodes in the Resolve imported EDL are also wrong then it suggest the EDL is wrong.

    But AAF should work from Avid to Resolve

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  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 10:42 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    Another irritating thing:

    If i decompose the sequence I made with the EDL and choose show clips, the clips have

    as Video 1:1 NTSC

    an edit rate of 24 and a Source Rate of 30 ?

     

    But it was shot in 24p and I have an 24p Project.

    ???

     

  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 10:48 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    Resolve cannot link to the source files.

    The AAF did not work (no tape names?)

    I tried to make an AAF with a "LINK" column and copied the clip names there, but that didnt work either.

     

    That is why the DOP opened it in Adobe Premiere.

    But unfortunately there the TCs get wrong.

     

  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 11:37 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    I don't think EDLs carry source info about the clips. The EDL will have the record FPS (which should be the project FPS) but EDLs don't carry much source information. So that is a red herring I suspect.

    Media composer only uses tape names for sources captured from tape. Thats standard. In fact if you modify a master clip in Avid to add a tape name (don't !) it blows away the source file name and sounrce path.

    Resolve will have got the source file name from the AAF and should be able to link via that.

    Is the DOP adding the camera sources to the Resolve media pool first and then on importing the Avid AAF selecting to link to the sources in the media pool? that should work.

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  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 11:42 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    Dear Pat,

    thank You for Your reply,

    the original camera files were .mov files, I do not remember, which codec.

    They were not processed before transcoding them into Media Composer., as far as i konow.

    I googled for alternative workflows from Avid to resolve , but I didnt find anything that works.

    Thanks again

  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 12:25 PM In reply to

    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    So the DOP has loaded all the camera sources into the Resolve media pool.

    They import the AAF and select to link to the media pool.

    They get a Resolve timeline.

    But it's not linked to the camera sources?

    If they select one clip from the timeline and compare that the the source in the media pool does the timecode match?

     

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  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 12:51 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    I invited the DOP to join this thread. Maybe he has answers to these questions.

    Thanks

  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 2:34 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    This is, what the DOP says, (he doesnt want to join the forum himself):

    "The AAF and the EDL dont work in Resolve. As Resolve cannot read the AAF at all, it doesn't matter, whether I insert the Material before or after loading the AAF. In DaVinci the Program doesnt even show the correct Source names."

    Thanks again for Your help.

     

     

    (Original in German:

    "Die AAF wie EDL neu wie alt funktionieren beide nicht in Resolve. In Premiere gehen "nur" die Source TCs in den Cuts auseinander. Da Resolve die EDL/AAF gar nicht lesen kann ist die Reihenfolge egal ob ich das Material erst order nach dem Laden der EDL/AAF einfüge. In Davinci zeigt das Programm nichtmal die richtigen Source Namen an.")

  • Tue, Sep 21 2021 3:01 PM In reply to

    Re: Avid Media Composer to Resolve and Premiere issue

    If Resolve can't read the AAF then how does the DOP know the source names are incorrect?

    Either the AAF won't import or it will.

    If it won't import then are you making the correct choices at the AAF export window?

    Have you removed all the audio tracks from the sequence?

    Committed any multicam choices?

    Did you tick the Protools compatabity and the extended compatability choices?

    Did you select to link to the media?

     

    It's worth noting that Avid AAF to resolve is a relatively coomon workflow and a lot of people are using it. So it does work. It's just trying to work out what's gone wrong with the workflow. 

     

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