This has nothing to do with patience.  I have a piece I'm creating for a client.  I need Titler + to work at the most basic level and it doesn't.  How is this possible?  This project is huge.  There is no way for me to start it again in premeire.

kokopelli:

This has nothing to do with patience.

I have to agree here. Customers are paying for Media composer licenses and/or support contracts. This is about delivering on already made payments for what can be expected from experience with previous versions.

Yes, I know, there are trials, you can check prior paying and updating. But combine this with the end of support policies and another picture emerges. It is not just the customers deserving the tools they paid for, it is also Avid meeting their own deadlines on new products being ready when you discontinue support for the older ones.

ripvanmarlowe:

Let's hope the next release has more than some new colours for clips because Resolve 18 just dropped a LOT of features and it looks like they have their eyes on collaborative working and shared storage hardware which is the only thing no one has been able to touch Avid on.  Resolve is moving at light speed. 

Andi

Totally agree Andi and it's well worth listening to what Grant Petty has to say about subcription, being investor focussed, universally loathed by customers and ultimately self defeating for a customer loyalty it seeks to force - Subscription may be the great catch all for Avid/Adobe but disruption is the big bang of forward thinking and BMD are and have always been the disrupter, destroying the expensive high costs of others. And because of this, in the last 3 years I have invested in BMD hardware/software worth 10 x more than I have in Avid products and it is all mine forever, without a penny of subscription. The cloud server hardware is a gamechanger. In the last 2/3 weeks BMD have introduced 2 major point releases and now a massive new version.

BMD is able to move at this speed precisely because it's CEO refuses to follow that industry model and customer loyalty is far stronger, of it's own volition. Avid is still a major core of my business, and I used to think it always would be but despite industry standards I can now now see a business case for moving closer and closer to a BMD eco system from production to post. Let's hope Avid truly is moving away from that investor related focus, detailed in their anual reports, back to a more customer focused one - I really do hope for that, because Avid has been a solid mainstay until recently, for me for nearly 30 years! 

Yeah, I also raised an eyebrow at his mention of subscriptions. He's talking my language to be honest. You'd be mad to not be boning up on your Resolve skills right now if you still have more than a few years left in the industry.

I've been using Avid since about 2004 probably so I'm not an old timer by any means but it's still been the bulk of my career and I've always felt it was at least keeping up but the recent speed of progress and the stubborn refusal to do any improvement of existing features is seeing it slip further and further behind.

Both Flame and Resolve are using AI to do things like depth mattes for grading, or selecting humans or skies for replacements, it looks like in the latest release BM have created something very similar to the mesh tracker from Mocha - except it's included in the price, a 30x speed increase for 8k footage, full M1 Ultra native support, even the 25-up display for multicam - the list just goes on and on. I honestly don't see how Avid can ever catch up to that.

If anyone didn't see it, it's worth checking out Grant Petty's demo of the new tech they are releasing here 

They are coming for Avid for sure.

Andi

Great News!

When will be available?

Can I have a beta version in order to test it? I (and all my team) am eagerly to be ride of the subcaps and try a decent Title Tool application.

Dalida:

Great News!

When will be available?

Can I have a beta version in order to test it? I (and all my team) am eagerly to be ride of the subcaps and try a decent Title Tool application.

Very shortly. It might take a week or so... 

...that was a guess :)

Chris Bové:

Hi everyone,

Media Composer 2022.4 is being released shortly, and begins to address these concerns. You'll definitely see the performance issues have been addressed, as well as interface issues. 

Avid knows that this has been a difficult journey for many customers.

You will begin to see a great deal of improvement over the next number of releases. That will begin with this forthcoming release of 2022.4.

 

Soo question. Will those who didn't renew their perpetual license be able to at least get the updated version of titler plus. To be honest this was one of the reasons I didn't. I just didn't see an advantage to continue with not getting any updates that improved the editing workflow of MC. Im just putting it out there that it would be nice if avid provided some way to update titler plus for us. 

ripvanmarlowe:

Yeah, I also raised an eyebrow at his mention of subscriptions. He's talking my language to be honest. You'd be mad to not be boning up on your Resolve skills right now if you still have more than a few years left in the industry.

I've been using Avid since about 2004 probably so I'm not an old timer by any means but it's still been the bulk of my career and I've always felt it was at least keeping up but the recent speed of progress and the stubborn refusal to do any improvement of existing features is seeing it slip further and further behind.

Both Flame and Resolve are using AI to do things like depth mattes for grading, or selecting humans or skies for replacements, it looks like in the latest release BM have created something very similar to the mesh tracker from Mocha - except it's included in the price, a 30x speed increase for 8k footage, full M1 Ultra native support, even the 25-up display for multicam - the list just goes on and on. I honestly don't see how Avid can ever catch up to that.

If anyone didn't see it, it's worth checking out Grant Petty's demo of the new tech they are releasing here 

They are coming for Avid for sure.

Andi

BM really is making waves with the improvements and features they are adding. It would have been nice if Avid would have just added a blending effect. I really wish they would improve the color correction tools or just buy baselight and include that with MC. 

dew:

BM really is making waves with the improvements and features they are adding. It would have been nice if Avid would have just added a blending effect. I really wish they would improve the color correction tools or just buy baselight and include that with MC. 

Have you heard of the free plugin "blendxgeneric"?

It's an effect for blendmodes: http://djfio.com/blend/

dew:

Soo question. Will those who didn't renew their perpetual license be able to at least get the updated version of titler plus. To be honest this was one of the reasons I didn't. I just didn't see an advantage to continue with not getting any updates that improved the editing workflow of MC. Im just putting it out there that it would be nice if avid provided some way to update titler plus for us. 

Perpetual licenses (be them software-activated or dongle-activated) work forever on their own, and in the version you purchased.  Upgrades, like the forthcoming 2022.4 version, are made by staff who are paid to constantly develop the software.  That staff gets their paychecks because of new sales or because of perpetual customers renewing their service contracts.  (I'm over-simplifying that, just to prove a point.) By having an active service contract, customers can upgrade any time they wish.  It is perfectly fine to let service contracts lapse and hold onto a specific version forever.  (Kind of like buying a car and keeping it.)  However, the MC software doesn't get made in modules that get broken apart.  So if you want the new improvements made to Titler+, you'll need to get MC 2022.4.  Now... if you'd like to simply sample it to see if it's worth it, you could always just buy a 30-day license and try it out. 

Yes I have the free plugin but this was something editors have bren asking for for years that avif coulr have done. A editor making a free plugin because avid wouldn't fo it should not have been an option.

Chris Bové:

dew:

Soo question. Will those who didn't renew their perpetual license be able to at least get the updated version of titler plus. To be honest this was one of the reasons I didn't. I just didn't see an advantage to continue with not getting any updates that improved the editing workflow of MC. Im just putting it out there that it would be nice if avid provided some way to update titler plus for us. 

 

Perpetual licenses (be them software-activated or dongle-activated) work forever on their own, and in the version you purchased.  Upgrades, like the forthcoming 2022.4 version, are made by staff who are paid to constantly develop the software.  That staff gets their paychecks because of new sales or because of perpetual customers renewing their service contracts.  (I'm over-simplifying that, just to prove a point.) By having an active service contract, customers can upgrade any time they wish.  It is perfectly fine to let service contracts lapse and hold onto a specific version forever.  (Kind of like buying a car and keeping it.)  However, the MC software doesn't get made in modules that get broken apart.  So if you want the new improvements made to Titler+, you'll need to get MC 2022.4.  Now... if you'd like to simply sample it to see if it's worth it, you could always just buy a 30-day license and try it out. 

Hey I get it. I am nothing asking for something for free but this has been promised to us for a few years and many of us held on to that promise before getting to this point. Im sure avid can  do a 2022.1.12 update for us with a fee to get titler plus. Think of it as a bug update 😆 and the feeling of brand loyality that we will get.

dew:

That staff gets their paychecks because of new sales or because of perpetual customers renewing their service contracts.  (I'm over-simplifying that, just to prove a point.) By having an active service contract, customers can upgrade any time they wish.  It is perfectly fine to let service contracts lapse and hold onto a specific version forever.  (Kind of like buying a car and keeping it.)  However, the MC software doesn't get made in modules that get broken apart.  So if you want the new improvements made to Titler+, you'll need to get MC 2022.4. 

Chris, with respect (truly) this is not a fair thing to say - customers always paid when they had the freedom to buy new major updates. It also could sound, though I know you don't mean it this way, that Titler+ is being held back in development to ensure we need to maintain perpetual licence support. I have paid many many times over for my perpetual, if I continue to do so I need to see regular meaningful major updates during each year. Or I will simply lapse and rent per job going forward and pass that rental onto the client. Bear in mind though 95% of my clients are still HD and use legacy title/Marquee, so I won't even have to do that.

Chris Bové:

(I'm over-simplifying that, just to prove a point.)

Chris,

The point, that paying customers directly or indirectly enable Avid to pay its employees and share holders, is business basics. The vast majority out here understands that we have to pay Avid for it to survive. So, that all of us will have to pay for Media composer's (and other products) new versions and expected improved abilities is a no brainer.

And that in the development process mistakes are made, and not every new version is an improvement over previous, is also understandable. How quick and in which way Avid should respond when these mistake are understood has been and will always be subject of debate on the forums. Regarding titler+ at least Avid acknowledged the problem and we all hope that things will improve soon.

The policy I would like to see changed is a more flexible attitude regarding the end of development and support dates of previous versions of products if the new products are still having essential flaws as acknowledged with titler. Practically in this case Avid could have extended support + development for Media composer 2018.12.15 and maintained compatibility with the mediacentral 2021 products. But the latest news on version compatibility goes in the exact opposite direction and that worries me a lot.

Jeroen van Eekeres:

Practically in this case Avid could have extended support + development for Media composer 2018.12.15 and maintained compatibility with the mediacentral 2021 products.

Yes, this seems to be the overwhelming response of this forum.