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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 4:31 AM

    • Swil
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    Moving beyond QuickTime

    As discussed in this thread, QuickTime for Windows is now officially bunk, and it's going to cause a lot of headaches for not just Avid but also Adobe, Blackmagic, and a lot of others. But the writing's been on the wall for a long while.

    For some reason segments of the industry standardised around .MOVs years ago, and a lot of places (especially festivals, but some broadcasters too) even infuriatingly demand delivery in ProRes, which is of course impossible on Windows without buying questionable third party software.

    Surely we can start pushing everyone away from such an idiotic standard.

    What's the ideal, futureproof format we should get everyone used to accepting?

    DNxHD/HR in a MXF wrapper? Is that open enough? Cross platform support good enough? Application support wide enough?

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 6:48 AM In reply to

    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    It amazes me folks are so shocked by this.

    Apple abandoned QuickTime ages ago. Thats why there is no 64 bit version and support on the Mac side has dropped off. QT10 is a joke now.

    Installing legacy QT7 on a new Mac can cause all sorts of odd issues.

    The writings been on the wall for ages now. But few bothered to read it...

    RIP QT

     

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 9:35 AM In reply to

    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    Pat Horridge:

    It amazes me folks are so shocked by this.

    Apple abandoned QuickTime ages ago. Thats why there is no 64 bit version and support on the Mac side has dropped off. QT10 is a joke now.

    Installing legacy QT7 on a new Mac can cause all sorts of odd issues.

    The writings been on the wall for ages now. But few bothered to read it...

    Totally agree.

    Pat Horridge:

    RIP QT

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 10:06 AM In reply to

    • BarkinMadd
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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    Not surprised that QT support would be dropped, but the way it came about was rather brutal and in some respects irresponsible of Apple. They basically flipped the bird to an entire industry (again) rather than using this as a warning coupled with a timeline for dropping support for future security updates. Maybe they did provide a timeline for dropping support (the way Microsoft did with XP, for example) but I don't recall reading such a statement.

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 10:15 AM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    As far as moving beyond QT and what to do in the short term, the only time I use QT is for creating QT Ref files to pass to Squeeze, etc. This is a pretty important use of QT, mind you.

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 11:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    Hi,

    There a couple of interesting points here.

    1 - There isn't a microsoft developed alternative thats professionally viable and no-one wants to really entertain AVI files, so thats both major OS developers not maintaining and developing professionally viable media containers.

    2 - The other is the announcement at Avid Connect over the weekend. Adobe and Avid have been working very closely to integreate Adobe editing platforms on to avid shared storage and the media central platform. This could well mean that both systems will result in true open MXF exchange. Fingers crossed for this tnteroperability soltuion!

     

     

  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 11:21 AM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    yup...mxf/OP1a

     

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 8:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    after fx on a media composer time line  my wishes have come true

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 8:58 PM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    So they are saying to uninstall Quicktime on a PC now as it is a huge security risk. What are we to do about this? Avid will not run without QT installed??

     

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 9:21 PM In reply to

    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    tobor-bmg:

    So they are saying to uninstall Quicktime on a PC now as it is a huge security risk. What are we to do about this? Avid will not run without QT installed??

     

    Thanks

     

    Incorrect MC will run without QT installed. You just can't do QT related import or export functions.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 10:15 PM In reply to

    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    Pat Horridge:
    Incorrect MC will run without QT installed.
    Here this was not true WHEN trying to open a Project consisting of all ProRes "Link"media (and an open timeline with Link ProRes clips on it.)   Error messages on start up showing missing component QT. Once MC opened a mass of error messages and eventual crash.

  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 11:34 PM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    Well that is good, but I assume all the QT MOV AMA stuff will not work either once you uninstall it?

     

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  • Mon, Apr 18 2016 11:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    tobor-bmg:
    I assume all the QT MOV AMA stuff will not work either
    The ProRes Link showed they were using the QuickTime Plug-in so it could be a good assumption.  I only looked at a project that I knew had ProRes link media. Then reinstalled QuickTime without the internet options. I do not have iTunes on any PC and I am nervously considering changing all file associations from QT to something else. 

  • Tue, Apr 19 2016 12:38 AM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    without QT, for existing projects with various linked files, it's kind of hit and miss, depending on codecs..

    now, after creating a new project, linking to .mov files works if the codec is dnxhd  vc3.

    doesn't link if the codec is mp4 qt avc ( nikon D750 files) and those same files won't import either...

     

    thanks atomos for the ninja with dnxhd codec Stick out tongue

     

     

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  • Tue, Apr 19 2016 2:45 AM In reply to

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    Re: Moving beyond QuickTime

    Just to clarify, I have a lot of projects that use DNxHD .mov files that are AMA linked in Avid.  These files were created using the QT engine outside of Avid.  If I remove QT, will Avid still be able to access these files -- i.e. does it somehow have "native" access to DNxHD mov files without needing QT installed?

    The nature of these projects requires me to sometimes go back and access them in order to work on other projects, so I need to be able to continue to open these projects going forward.  Things are not as simple for me as just changing my pipeline going forward.

    I have a similar issue in the other direction, where I use QT "Same as Souce" files output from Avid as sources for generating new movies in my transcoding software -- i.e. I import the QT SAS file and out put a movie based on specific parameters.  If DNxHD files use mov wrappers, does that necessarily mean that you need QT installed to open them.

    Thanks,

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