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  • Mon, Jun 7 2010 6:35 PM

    Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT work well running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    Has Avid ever tested the MC4 with GeForce 9800 GT? If so, please send me the test results.

  • Mon, Jun 7 2010 6:46 PM In reply to

    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    Here are the stated system requirements for Media Composer. You'll see that only NVIDIA quadro cards are qualified for Media Composer on PC. That being said, it does NOT mean that your card definitely will not work. Your best bet is to download the free 30 day trial version of Media Composer and test drive it to see what happens.

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  • Mon, Jun 7 2010 9:57 PM In reply to

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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    I would bump the RAM to 4gig, allowing that a 32bit OS will not see all of it. IMHO the 9800 will likely work OK as long as it has at least half a gig memory...

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  • Mon, Jun 7 2010 10:11 PM In reply to

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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    I believe an Nvidia Geforce 8800GT is the same chip as some of the high end quadro cards. (look up "wikipedia Quadro")  It is possible to "softmod" it to accept Quadro drivers.  If you google "geforce 8800 to Quadro" you will find references to how to do it.  Saying that - you are not supported by Avid and you do it at your own risk!!

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  • Mon, Jun 7 2010 10:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    Only the 8800 series can be softmod. After that series the chips were locked to prevent "improvement":

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  • Tue, Jun 8 2010 7:33 AM In reply to

    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

  • Tue, Jun 8 2010 8:19 AM In reply to

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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    heitikesa@netikka.fi:

    I think it wouldn't be reasonable to replace my video card each time the Avid releases next version of their video editing software,

     

    Quadro cards have been certified ever since day zero and will continue to be that for a very very long time I believe

     

    heitikesa@netikka.fi:

    That's why I was asking reviews forom experienced users.That means from people who have actually tested the Media Composer 4 with Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT?

     

    Those experienced users are surely also earning their living from Media Composer and is, because of that, using the Avid certified hardware.

    If you are just playing around and actually are in no need to have a system that always work well, you might test whatever hardware you like to and the 30 days trial of Media Composer is always available for a first test

    Edited...   the OP has changed or removed all of his previously written posts, this said to explain for users coming to this thread why the quotes doesn´t match

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  • Tue, Jun 8 2010 8:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    TVJohn:

    Only the 8800 series can be softmod. After that series the chips were locked to prevent "improvement":

     

    My mistake - In my haste to reply, I thought it was an 8800.

    I got a quadro FX 570 from ebay for £40, before that I was running an ATI X 1950 which was fine apart from an access violation message on startup. 

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  • Tue, Jun 8 2010 9:42 AM In reply to

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  • Tue, Jun 8 2010 9:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    heitikesa@netikka.fi:

    Please save me from reading useless writings about what bis certified by Avid. I know what is certified by Avid. The fact that Avid has tested the MC4 with that one video card only, does not prove that the one would be the best to run MC4.

    If you do not know the answer to the question then please DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING AT ALL HERE.

    Welcome to this forum my friend, you are doing a great start here

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  • Tue, Jun 8 2010 12:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    heitikesa@netikka.fi:
    The fact that Avid has tested the MC4 with that one video card only...

    That is completely untrue. Avid tests many different components and many different configurations out of almost endless combinations. They certify certain configurations because they can guarantee that the software will run properly right out of the box. The system requirements are there for a reason.

    You have done a very poor job of introducing yourself on this Forum. You will find people here are very helpful and dedicated to finding solutions to problems, when they are treated with courtesy and respect.

    heitikesa@netikka.fi:

    If you do not know the answer to the question then please DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING AT ALL HERE.

    You do not have the right to tell other people what to post and what not to post. Now, with that firmly in mind, do you have a question or a problem to present? You can try non-qualified cards, and they may or may not work. And even if they do work initially, there are no guarantees for long term stability and reliability. A serious problem can develop down the road that cannot be solved or corrected with unsupported hardware.

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  • Tue, Jun 8 2010 7:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    Hi again,

    Thanks for all of the nice comments. Yeah, that was really a nice restart, as my simple question has made someone declare me a war instantly. Usually it takes more efforts. Big Smile

    I hope he wouldn't run out of fuel and he would actually be able to provide me the detailed results of Avid testing the GeForce 9800 GT on the MC4, in order to prove that such endless tests were ever made on other than Quadro cards only.

    As for the guarantees that the software will run properly, my own tests showed that their recommendations of graphics card for Liquid 7  were wrong and it didn't work right out of the box.


    System Requirements for Avid Liquid 7 (HDV/1080i):

    For HDV editing (1080i), the minimum system requirements are:

        *Intel Pentium 4 Processor 3.0GHz (Hyperthreading enabled)
        *Microsoft Windows XP Professional or Home Edition (SP1 or SP2)
        *1GB RAM
        *PCIe Graphics Card with 256MB RAM, DirectX 9 hardware support
        *OHCI-compatible IEEE 1394 port, Microsoft DirectX 9 Software, DVD-ROM drive

    The recommended system requirements are:

        *2 X 3.0 GHz or better (Hyperthreading enabled)
        *Microsoft Windows XP Professional (SP1 or SP2)
        *1GB RAM
        *PCIe Graphics Card with 256MB RAM, DirectX 9 hardware support
        *OHCI-compatible IEEE 1394 port, Microsoft DirectX 9 Software, DVD-ROM drive


    And as you can see, those recommendations did not mention anything about Quadro at all. It says just 256MB RAM and that's it.

    (Someone said that Quadro cards have been certified ever since day zero. Could someone tell me when was the day zero?)

    I had to play with different cards more powerful than their recommendation for 1080i suggested, and the results showed that the PCIe graphics card with 256MB RAM was far from being sufficient for 1080i. This card was able to render the DV 576i only. It needed better card for HD 1080i, and I got it rendering 1080i without creating red ants, with GeForce 9800 GT which has 512MB of RAM on it. That is double more than it was declared on Avids recommendations for the 1080i.

    So, on basis of those misleading recommendations for Liquid 7, I have no reasons to believe they are correct this time.

    And that was a shocking surprise also that there was no Blu-Ray authoring on Liquid 7.2 and they refused to add it to updates, making me replace that semi-product with a new semi-product that wouldn't be able recognize the BOB from the previous one. For such nasty surprises they should have paid me a lot for ordering their next product again. I have no reasons to be happy about all that and I'm just wondering that maybe I should have chosen the Adobe Premiere from the very start. Guess that one may have it's own issues as well.

  • Wed, Jun 9 2010 1:44 AM In reply to

    • LewS
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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    No idea what you are talking about. A Quadro card was NEVER recommended or required for Liquid 7. A Quadro card is recommended for Media Composer. The specs you posted would have run Liquid 7 fine.

    Liquid can make excellent Bluray discs from an HD fuse using a third party authoring application. This has been discussed extensively on the Liquid forum. This is not a Liquid forum so I will not discuss it here.

    You are really making a very bad start on this forum.

    Do you have a question about Media Composer that has not been answered??

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  • Wed, Jun 9 2010 5:41 AM In reply to

    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    Yes, I had and still have a question about Media Composer 4, that has not been answered by anybody yet. Looks like many people here are just willing to talk too much about the things they do not know too much about, and don't even bother to read the question asked.

    The question was very simple:

    I wanted the test results of  running Media Composer 4 using Winfast PX9800 GT (nVidia GeForce 9800 GT) graphics card.

    No guesses needed if it might or might not work. I can make my own guesses about whatever I can imagine. I came here just for real test results, in order to avoid using valuable time repeating the test someone has already done before.

    Is it really such a bad start to ask a question you do not know answer for?

    Maybe it is, because the insults posted instead of answer to simple question, show the real level of those people.

    And I was talking about Liquid to let everybody know why I can't ever blindly trust the recommendations issued by Avid. Those were wrong once and can be wrong again.

    There were long discussions about the matter on Sony forums some years ago, as many people were thinking there is something wrong with their brand new Sony HD cameras, until it finally was sorted out that the graphics cards on their monitors were poor.

    When I installed a graphics card more powerful than Avid had actually recommended, all problems were gone instantly.

    I'm sure we have some good and wise people here too, and that's why I'm still here.

     

  • Wed, Jun 9 2010 11:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: Would the Leadtek Winfast PX9800 GT be sufficient for running MC4 under 32 bit XP Pro?

    Before this thread is locked, maybe I can help:

    1)  You will need to be patient - to find an MC user with the same graphics card as you, bearing in mind that many will go with the supported Quadro FX cards, will take some time.  If others post advice in the mean time, that actually helps, because it nudges the thread to the top of the forum where it is likely to be seen by more users, one of whom may be able to help as you requested.

    2)  I understand your point with Liquid, but I used a radeon 9600 128mb card (purchased in about 2004) with Liquid and edited in HD.  While underpowered on paper, it did just fine.  The issues you are talking about in your post may have been solved by using the right drivers, (if you were on DX10 there was a patch I believe).  Browsing the forum when you had the issues may have solved that.  Liquid was a pro / hobbyist application that had to support a vast range of graphics cards, past and present.  Also regarding the blu ray issue, Avid Liquid 7 came out just when Blu ray was in infancy.  The documentation never promised this and the upgrade deal to MC more than compensates for this.

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