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  • Fri, Mar 26 2010 8:56 PM

    • denniscasey
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    Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    Checking costs for MC4 computer and for Avid suggested HP Z400 the HP sales rep told me 1 TB HDD cost $418--also shows that on HP workstation website.  Most 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD I have seen, including one shown in Videoguys DIY7 computer example are less than $100.  I have seen posts from Avid basically saying "you pay me now or you pay me later" in terms of computers.  Really curious why HP would charge so much for 1 TB HDD--can there be such a difference in MTBF between $100 and $418 HDD? Would I really want to spend $418 for 1 TB HDD?

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  • Fri, Mar 26 2010 9:01 PM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    How much the Z400 cost as a set?

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  • Fri, Mar 26 2010 9:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    Is it a SCSI SAS drive? (still should not be 4x the price)

    Pricing HD's the other day I found some 7200 WD's were 3 times the price of other WD's in the same size. (More platters etc)

  • Fri, Mar 26 2010 9:06 PM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    Even the new Black Caviar 6G Sata III 1TB are for less than 100 euros here.

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  • Fri, Mar 26 2010 9:43 PM In reply to

    • TVJohn
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    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    I just bought that drive at Newegg $119 US.

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

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  • Fri, Mar 26 2010 9:47 PM In reply to

    • denniscasey
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    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    I got reply from HP person who says their charge for HDDs is because they offer 3d drive-guard (I don't know what that is) and their drives are business drives so held to higher standard. 

    The price they gave me for Z400 computer was no special deal so can share it. It was $3,800 (US dollars) including tax and shipping.  Of options offered I chose Intel Xeon (3520) 2.66 Mhz; 475 watt power supply ; one Quardro FX1800; 6 GB DDR3-1333 RAM; two 500 GB SATA HDD and one 1000GB SATA HDD (total 3 drives); HP blue ray burner.  They don't give other details such as MOBO they use and so forth but system is fully operational with heat sinks, fans, etc included as is their standard workstation 3 year warranty including on site visit if needed. 

    I can also share, because I don't really know what a fair price would be, that local computer shop I have used in past would basically clone VideoGuys DIY7 with addition of more HDD for $2700 including tax. I specced system using VideoGuys DIY7 as model: system has Intel Core i7-920 quad core 2.66 Mhz; LG Black Blue Ray burner; four 1 TB Seagate Barracuda SATA II HDD (mirror system drive plus media and render drives); Asus P6TD Deluxe X58, core i7, triple DDR3 2000, eSATA and SATA RAID, PCI-E, dual GbLan; 12 GB Super Talent DDR3 1333Mhz RAM with Black Heatsink; 650 Watt Antec; PNY Quadro FX1800; Win 7 Business 64 bit; 1 year parts and labor warranty.  I used this company in past to build my LE7 computer using Pinnacle/AVID specified parts and it has worked fine.  I have read posts about audio card so may need to add that also if I go this route.

    Regards, Dennis

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  • Fri, Mar 26 2010 10:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    Basically you are paying somewhat more for a performance guarantee. If somehow you have a problem that cannot to traced to a specific part, HP can furnish an identical model, which should eliminate a hardware issue.

    When you construct a one-off machine, even using "quality' parts, it is possible that a defect could exist on say, the MoBo, that could be difficult to trace. A local shop would not build you an identical box to rule out that possibility.

    With an editing computer you do not want parts that are ""factory" overclocked, or things like super-dooper memory that may have overly aggressive timing settings.

    HP will likely set up a very stable box that is not prone to giving them service headaches. 

    I would use an Audigy sound card. They work...

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:12 AM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    You should ask about a mobo that has 3G and USB3 built in.

    I don't think this ain't easy for any manufacter to do so.

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:15 AM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    denniscasey:

    The price they gave me for Z400 computer was no special deal so can share it. It was $3,800 (US dollars) including tax and shipping.  Of options offered I chose Intel Xeon (3520) 2.66 Mhz; 475 watt power supply ; one Quardro FX1800; 6 GB DDR3-1333 RAM; two 500 GB SATA HDD and one 1000GB SATA HDD (total 3 drives); HP blue ray burner.

    I think this might be a joke. As for their recorders, the most times they use LiteOn at least this is the case for their DVDR's.

    Now I would also suspect the 475 PSU! This can only be right if they use SSD's.

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    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 12:14 PM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    Even with more than enough but with another CPU and 3 SATA III disks I can't make it more than 2600 euros.


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    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 1:13 PM In reply to

    • denniscasey
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    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    George, thankyou for comparison.  I am not familiar with cost/performance values of computer components, but I expect you have shown very high end high performance system.

    Difficult to make price comparison because of apparent differences in Europe/USA costs--- for instance PNY FX1800 is readily available in USA for $429 but at Euro exchange rate of 1.34 the 525.6 Euro you show for PNY1800 equals $704 USD.  Having said that, the 2617.37 Euro component cost would equal $3507.28 USD (at 1.34 exhange rate)---close to Z400 once labor, tax and warranty value is included.

    Since I do not do video editing 10 hours a day and it is not my main occupation I may elect to basically clone the Videoguys system, have it built locally and save upfront money. Regards, Dennis

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 1:18 PM In reply to

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    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    By the way, I looked up HP 3d drive guard and from what I saw it looks like it mainly protects HDD against physical damage from physical shocks such as dropping a notebook--may not be of value in desktop.  Dennis

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 5:20 PM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    I am not proposing you what to buy. I just point out that with lesser money you can get many things more.

    Most of those BTO parts are having from 3-5 years warranty.

    What Avid says is to buy from a qualified reseller to be able to help you if something goes wrong.

    I don't need that kind of help as for PC's. One of the reasons I am not buying a Mac is that I am not

    familiar with how I can tweak it.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:31 PM In reply to

    • denniscasey
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    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    I understand George.  Main concern is to get quality components that allow AVID MC to perform as it is capable of  (for instance the GPU Quadro FX1800 and quad core Intel CPU and appropriate MOBO as you pointed out in previous posts) and also components that work well together.  Then based on individual situation decide how much value various system options are.  Always helpful to "consult" with forum members.  Regards, Dennis

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Off topic: HDD Cost: HP Gold or what?

    I will repeat what I have said.

    I have found MC from 3.1.3 to run at ANYTHING I have tried it.

    From the tiny Advent 4211 to the Fujitsu Laptop, to my brother's old Acer and off course to my desktop.

    What you need is to run MC as best as it can run not only to run it.

    And to do that you need a fast CPU, at least 8G of ram and a 64bit OS.

    By me those are the more important components.

    And I say that, because I have seen MC to run at all of the above PC's but nowhere close to the desktop

    with Quad 6600, 8G of ram on W764.

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    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

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