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  • Sat, Mar 13 2010 6:14 PM

    • lasssman
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    Hardware for MC

    I realize that Avid has posted the hardware requirements for MC. They tell us what is required, but they don't tell us what MC will make good use of ...

    For example:

    If I have a Quad Core machine, will MC make full use of the four cores and provide better performance than two?

    Will MC make provide better performance on a 64-bit Vista (read Windows 7 in future) machine with 16 GB than on one with 4 GB?

    If I spend money on a machine with specs beyond the minimum requirements, where should I put my $$ to get the best bang for the buck?

    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 3.3 GHz, Intel D975XBX2 MoBo, 160 GB Sata II system drive, 1 Tb Raid 5 media and render drives, 8 GB DDR2-800 mem, Windows 7... [view my complete system specs]

    Guy
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  • Sat, Mar 13 2010 6:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Hardware for MC

    lasssman:

    If I have a Quad Core machine, will MC make full use of the four cores and provide better performance than two?

    I doubt it but is better to have a Quad because you will be able to do other things as well while for example MC will render something complex.

    lasssman:

    Will MC make provide better performance on a 64-bit Vista (read Windows 7 in future) machine with 16 GB than on one with 4 GB?

    W7 64bit with 8G of RAM works very good than anything with 4G. If you can buy 16G it will be even better.

    lasssman:

    If I spend money on a machine with specs beyond the minimum requirements, where should I put my $ to get the best bang for the buck?

    CPU, Quadro and of course the mobo because this is where everything starts from.

    Desktop PC

     

    Corsair RM750X|Asus P8Z68 Deluxe(Gen3)|i7 2600K@4.4|Corsair 32G DDR3|PNY Quadro P2000(390.77)|Samsung 850 Pro SSD(OS) 256 GB|2x2TB WD RE4@RAID 0|2x500GB Mushkin SSD@RAID 0|LG BH16NS40|W10 Pro 64bit|Media Composer Software 2018.12 with Symphony Option on Dongle|2xHP 22'' Monitors|M-Audio AV30 Speakers.

     

    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 13 2010 8:20 PM In reply to

    • sam the sham
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    lasssman:

    I realize that Avid has posted the hardware requirements for MC. They tell us what is required, but they don't tell us what MC will make good use of ...

    For example:

    If I have a Quad Core machine, will MC make full use of the four cores and provide better performance than two?

    Will MC make provide better performance on a 64-bit Vista (read Windows 7 in future) machine with 16 GB than on one with 4 GB?

    If I spend money on a machine with specs beyond the minimum requirements, where should I put my $ to get the best bang for the buck?

    Guy this is a great question.

    I will probably buy a new system soon and I know I need to make sure it will support MC 4 AND 5 for that matter.

    I hope other experts like George will offer their comments.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 13 2010 10:56 PM In reply to

    • TVJohn
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    I've noticed that Dvdit and TmpGe make good use of Q-cores, so even if the NLE doesn't leverage all cores, the transcoding external apps do.

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

    Using MC 8.4. Avid FX6.4, Vegas Pro 15/ DVD Architect 6pro, DVDit6.4proHD, CCE Basic, TmpGe Express4, TmpGe Authoring Works 4, DVDLab-Studio. Sony EX-1R, Canon XH-A1, GL2, GL1, Canon EOS 60D

  • Tue, Mar 16 2010 3:36 AM In reply to

    • lasssman
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    Here's another question - of the nVidia cards certified by Avid to run MC, what are the characteristics, and which ones will Liquid also run with? I have never owned an NVidia card so I'm not familiar with their models ...

     NVIDIA Quadro FX family** (FX 560 or higher) ...

    I cannot overspend on the graphics card - but it looks as though I should be replacing my ATI 4870 toxic (I never used its full potential with Liquid, and it's noisy even though it's supposed to be quieter than the non-toxic models). The ATI works OK with the trial version of MC, without the hardware OpenGL. Having said that, I don't necessarily have to go for the lowest cost model either ...

    Should I be buying nVidia, or is it ok to by another make (eg PNY) with nVidia chipsets?

    Is it worth spending extra to get GDDR3, 4 or 5?

    Recommendations, anyone?

    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 3.3 GHz, Intel D975XBX2 MoBo, 160 GB Sata II system drive, 1 Tb Raid 5 media and render drives, 8 GB DDR2-800 mem, Windows 7... [view my complete system specs]

    Guy
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  • Tue, Mar 16 2010 4:35 AM In reply to

    • VE7AXO
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    lasssman:

    Here's another question - of the nVidia cards certified by Avid to run MC, what are the characteristics, and which ones will Liquid also run with? I have never owned an NVidia card so I'm not familiar with their models ...

     NVIDIA Quadro FX family** (FX 560 or higher) ...

    I cannot overspend on the graphics card - but it looks as though I should be replacing my ATI 4870 toxic (I never used its full potential with Liquid, and it's noisy even though it's supposed to be quieter than the non-toxic models). The ATI works OK with the trial version of MC, without the hardware OpenGL. Having said that, I don't necessarily have to go for the lowest cost model either ...

    Should I be buying nVidia, or is it ok to by another make (eg PNY) with nVidia chipsets?

    Is it worth spending extra to get GDDR3, 4 or 5?

    Recommendations, anyone?

    I also have only used ATI cards so am interested in learning about nVidia as used for MC as well.  My ATI 4870 (non-toxic) came with GDDR 5 memory, so you may already have the fastest available at the moment. 

    My thoughts for a system optimised for MC are to wait for NAB and see if Avid comes out with MC5 and what its requirements might be.  That way even if you stay with the current upgrade (MC4), you will be ready to move up in the future with the new machine.

    Media Composer 6.5 (software) Mobo: ASUS P9X79 PRO, CPU: Intel i7-3930K (six core), Memory: 32 GB DDR3, Graphics: nVIDIA Quadro 2000D with 1 GB GDDR5... [view my complete system specs]

    Igor

  • Tue, Mar 16 2010 5:57 AM In reply to

    Re: Hardware for MC

    lasssman:

    Here's another question - of the nVidia cards certified by Avid to run MC, what are the characteristics, and which ones will Liquid also run with? I have never owned an NVidia card so I'm not familiar with their models ...

    Should I be buying nVidia, or is it ok to by another make (eg PNY) with nVidia chipsets?

    Is it worth spending extra to get GDDR3, 4 or 5?

    Recommendations, anyone?

    We are waiting to have a simple guide of what really a Quadro is making out of MC or the other way around (remember when we wanted to know the same for Liquid after 6.1 but we never did).

    I have a PNY Geforce which I have softmoded to a Quadro. This wears an Nvidia chipset as any other that use...Nvidia.

    I mean whatever you buy that uses Nvidia will be an Nvidia...

    For a comparison of Quadro see here.

    But again, we don't really know what is the performance leap from one to another as for MC.

    I think this will be clearer from now on and then.

    Desktop PC

     

    Corsair RM750X|Asus P8Z68 Deluxe(Gen3)|i7 2600K@4.4|Corsair 32G DDR3|PNY Quadro P2000(390.77)|Samsung 850 Pro SSD(OS) 256 GB|2x2TB WD RE4@RAID 0|2x500GB Mushkin SSD@RAID 0|LG BH16NS40|W10 Pro 64bit|Media Composer Software 2018.12 with Symphony Option on Dongle|2xHP 22'' Monitors|M-Audio AV30 Speakers.

     

    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

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  • Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:25 AM In reply to

    • ugo1
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    Hi

    on going MC computer build

     

    ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard
    Adaptec RAID 5805 KIT/256 SATA/SAS
    2* OCZ 6GB Kit 3*2GB DDR3-1600 Intel i7 Platinum Low-Voltage XTC CAS7  
    Pny quadro fx 1800
    Cpu ?

    The cpu type will depend on how MC5 will hanble multicore system

    What you think?

    Ugo

    Case: Phantek Enthoo Luxe, Motherboard: Asus Prime X299 deluxe, Cpu: Core i9-7900K,Ram: 32GB Ripjaws 4, GPU: Asus Nvidia 1080, Sound card: X-Fi Forte... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Mar 19 2010 7:05 AM In reply to

    Re: Hardware for MC

    CPU:

    I would buy now the i7-860.

    Motherboard:

    With a USB3 AND e-SATA on board.

    RAM:

    8-12 G of RAM.

    (I don't know about the external RAID card.I have used IDE from Maxtor at the past and worked well).

    Disks:

    At least one SSD 80G for OS(Be sure to have the M at the end).

    2x500G or 2x1T for RAID 0. Preferebly WD or Samsung.

    And another 1-2 cheap 500G for backups and an e-SATA case for those.

    Desktop PC

     

    Corsair RM750X|Asus P8Z68 Deluxe(Gen3)|i7 2600K@4.4|Corsair 32G DDR3|PNY Quadro P2000(390.77)|Samsung 850 Pro SSD(OS) 256 GB|2x2TB WD RE4@RAID 0|2x500GB Mushkin SSD@RAID 0|LG BH16NS40|W10 Pro 64bit|Media Composer Software 2018.12 with Symphony Option on Dongle|2xHP 22'' Monitors|M-Audio AV30 Speakers.

     

    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

    3 Heads Digital Films

  • Fri, Mar 19 2010 12:29 PM In reply to

    • lasssman
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    Wow, those nVidia cards are not cheap! There seems to be nothing between the 580 and the 1700, and the 1700 & 1800 only have one dvi port ...

    Anyone tested a soft-modded ATI 4850 or 4870 with MC? (What a long shot that is Big Smile)

    As far as the rest of the machine goes, I'm thinking that the next hard drives I buy may be Sata III ... I think my machine can perform ok for a little while yet, but I'm going to be stretched on storage with the large size of the DNxHD files and renders.

    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 3.3 GHz, Intel D975XBX2 MoBo, 160 GB Sata II system drive, 1 Tb Raid 5 media and render drives, 8 GB DDR2-800 mem, Windows 7... [view my complete system specs]

    Guy
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  • Fri, Mar 19 2010 12:53 PM In reply to

    Re: Hardware for MC

    4850 or 70 can not be softmoded to a Quadro. Big Smile

    Desktop PC

     

    Corsair RM750X|Asus P8Z68 Deluxe(Gen3)|i7 2600K@4.4|Corsair 32G DDR3|PNY Quadro P2000(390.77)|Samsung 850 Pro SSD(OS) 256 GB|2x2TB WD RE4@RAID 0|2x500GB Mushkin SSD@RAID 0|LG BH16NS40|W10 Pro 64bit|Media Composer Software 2018.12 with Symphony Option on Dongle|2xHP 22'' Monitors|M-Audio AV30 Speakers.

     

    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

    3 Heads Digital Films

  • Fri, Mar 19 2010 1:01 PM In reply to

    • mjolnarn
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    lasssman:

    and the 1700 & 1800 only have one dvi port ...

    my 1800 have two ......... and seeing all the users using the 1700 card with two screens, that might be the fact with the 1700 too

    Mac: 17" Macbook Pro i7 2,66 ghz with 8Gb Ram, 500gb 7200rpm drive___ PC_NEW Win10 Pro Mbo Asus Rampage IV Black CPU Ivy Bridge-E 4960X ( = 12 x 4... [view my complete system specs]

    Tomas 

     

  • Fri, Mar 19 2010 1:06 PM In reply to

    Re: Hardware for MC

    They both have 2 DVI's.

    Desktop PC

     

    Corsair RM750X|Asus P8Z68 Deluxe(Gen3)|i7 2600K@4.4|Corsair 32G DDR3|PNY Quadro P2000(390.77)|Samsung 850 Pro SSD(OS) 256 GB|2x2TB WD RE4@RAID 0|2x500GB Mushkin SSD@RAID 0|LG BH16NS40|W10 Pro 64bit|Media Composer Software 2018.12 with Symphony Option on Dongle|2xHP 22'' Monitors|M-Audio AV30 Speakers.

     

    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

    3 Heads Digital Films

  • Sat, Mar 20 2010 8:55 PM In reply to

    • videoguy
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    I put together a new guide on our website for all you Liquid users migrating to Media Composer. It includes spec on a DIY machine that will run MC great. We also talk about GPUs and why ya reaaly want to go QuadroFX.

    Gary

    Media Composer 3.5 ASUS P6X58D-E w/ Intel i7 980 Hex-core, 24GB RAM, PNY Quadro4000, Win7, SATA Boot drive, G-Speed eS for video [view my complete system specs]

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  • Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:17 AM In reply to

    • denniscasey
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    Re: Hardware for MC

    This "bang for buck" thread started by Guy is great idea and already many excellent inputs.  It seems the sort of thing Avid would have written a "white paper" or something on for MC4 to help users build most cost efficient computer--is there an Avid representative reading these threads that could steer us in that direction?

    Gary, I thought I read in one of VideoGuy articles that you had some input to help you build the cost efficient computer you show in your DIY for MC4, but can't find article now?

    George, your mention MOBO as place to spend money--"it all starts here." What important MOBO features beyond the USB3 and e-SATA on board that you mention should we consider in choice of MOBO--or Gary which of the features on MOBO you chose were critical in your choice of the ASUS  (I think it was an ASUS) MOBO you used? 

    Dennis

    MC6.5.2 SYSTEM: Asus P6X58D Premium; Intel i7-930 2.8 Ghz; PNY FX1800 GPU;500 GB RAID 1 System Drives; 1 TB RAID 0 Media Drives; 12 GB triple channel RAM;... [view my complete system specs]
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