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  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 5:19 AM

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    Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    Hello everyone, hope you are all having a great day.

    I am thinking about building a workstation for a new Project i ve taken up and i was wondering if anyone has any experience on how Avid works with AMD CPU's and more specifically with the AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX.

    I hope someone among this forum can shed some light to this matter for me but thank you all in advance for your time!

  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 11:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    While surfing Youtube i came across this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKIs8mZ6XH4

    I really hope someone among this community has some sort of input on the matter.

  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 11:35 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    I've not followed it closely but I'd always suggest sticking with a supported configuration. Even if it works today it may give issues in the future and you can make a very fast system stickinmg with supported setup. Possibly push the CPU speed if thats an option but stick with the supported hardware.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 8:22 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    As someone who has used ryzen in the past with mc and works with an intel 7940x with media composer I have a couple thoughts.

    Threadripper will probably be a beast for transcoding and exporting ama.

    It probably sucks for playback though.

    Not sure if you've used high core count computers but a lot of times your drives will be your bottle neck, so youll only ever hit 100% if your drives are fast enough.

    But yeah, youll get choppier playback and crappy open i/o (blackmagic/aja/etc) performance.

    I'd only consider it as a transcoding station for now.  Also media composers rendering sucks (most fx are not renered by gpu hence no hyperthreading by cpu), so you won't render any quicker than a quad core.

    I think you're much safer getting an x299 beast vs threadripper for media composer.  I often hit 100% on all cores when transcoding on the 7940x so it makes me wish I had the 18 core, or the upcoming 22 core.

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  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 8:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    cls105:

    As someone who has used ryzen in the past with mc and works with an intel 7940x with media composer I have a couple thoughts.

    Would you be so kind as to help me put together in "paper" some basic components for the Workstation i want to make?
    For example i was thinking about this CPU instead of Threadripper

    https://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/260-1607566-5432336?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Intel+Xeon+Gold+6130+Box

    Generally if it isn't too much trouble i would be thrilled if you could point me to a CPU and Mobo to broaden my search.
    I will be doing mainly HD editing, occasionally maybe 4K and i am hoping to make a Workstation to last a decade speccs wise.
    I am currently using a Black Magic Intensity Pro 4K.

  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 8:46 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    well I wouldnt touch xeon, its core speeds are much lower than x299.  Great for paper thin computers without proper cooling like imac pros and thin rack mount servers though.  Turbo boost is pretty much just advertising because its only 1 core hitting the advertised speed.

    provantage sells cpu's at a really good price.  ava direct has financing with affirm but horrible return and price adjusting.

    get a 7980xe.

    since youre sending me links in germany look into https://www.caseking.de/ der8auer in germany is involved with them.

    he's the worlds's most charming overclocking king ;) watch his videos on youtube.

    And today id get a motherboard with thunderbolt just because why not... so asus tuf mkII..

    just depends what your needs are.

    but yes, x299 is amazing.  I get very excited seeing my cpu hit 100% on 14 cores while transcoding and exporting.

    Rendering however is depressing on avid.  1 core will be at 100% and the rest are being lazy doing very little.  Makes me come here and talk trash (yes i am repeating myself with this).  I can't fathom rendering a timeline in 8k when only some effects use the gpu.  And the only time all the cores in the cpu are used while rendering, is if the effect uses the gpu which then sends the processing to the cpu (I am no programmer but it doesnt make sense to me).

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  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 9:09 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    I am actually not in Germany nor German, i just grabbed the first link that i found :)

    I appreciate your fast and thorough replies my friend.
    I am gonna take a look at those CPU's and MoBo's you suggest right now.

    I havent checked yet but i am hoping i can pm you on these forums if i have any more questions.

  • Fri, Sep 21 2018 10:20 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    cls105:

    And today id get a motherboard with thunderbolt just because why not... so asus tuf mkII..

    So something along these lines you think matey?

    https://www.skroutz.gr/s/12325269/Asus-TUF-X299-Mark-2.html#specs

    https://www.plaisio.gr/anavathmisi-diktia/anavathmisi/cpu-epeksergastes/Intel-Cpu-Core-I9-7980xe-Extreme-Edition-20662-60-Ghz24-75-Mb-BX80673I97980X.htm

    https://www.asus.com/gr/Motherboard-Accessory/ThunderboltEX-3/

  • Sun, Sep 23 2018 5:40 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    Yes that’s it, I can tell without clicking.

    the only reason I suggest one that supports thunderbolt 3 expansion is because I’m using a usb-c terraster raid 5 array

    and it maxes out at 200mb/s. Sometimes I wish I had the thunderbolt array but my motherboard will never be able to have thunderbolt.  So better to just get something expandable from the start.

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  • Sun, Sep 23 2018 8:01 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    So that leaves us with the GPU question.
    K6000 ?

  • Sun, Sep 23 2018 2:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    I don’t use a qualified card (I use a 1080ti) so it’s hard for me to comment on that.

    today, if I were starting from scratch I’d definitely get a qualified gpu though.  looking at the current readme, it looks like the P cards are the most qualified and probably will remain the most qualified cards longer than any other gpu’s.

    is there a reason you like the k6000 over the p4000? Again this is the department I have the least experience in so I’m curious to hear your thoughts.

     

    update: k = Kepler architecture (released in 2012)

    p= pascal (2016)

    so use a p card unless you already own a k.

     

     

     

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  • Sun, Sep 23 2018 2:09 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    Haven't checked yet if one is faster than the other, was merely thinking that K6000 since it's much older should be cheaper to find than P series which is newer.
    P4000 though is a great choice me thinks and one to surely cut it for a decade more of HD footage.

  • Sun, Sep 23 2018 2:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    qualified Gpu’s are probably the only thing that would give me better playback performance and even that’s even hard to say 100%..

    hd footage? I’m editing uhd these days in mc. This new computer of yours will eat Hd for breakfast.

    the only time I regret editing uhd is when I delete my pre computes and re-render my entire timeline with subtitles.

    15% cpu usage is a miserable thing to see.  But you will be transcoding so freaking fast on 18 cores.

    my next upgrade will be a 2tb nvme drive, they’re selling at less than 600usd.  I see nothing wrong using this as an OS drive (because of the jaw dropping r/w speeds) AND a render or temp transcode drive.  I have a feeling that a 1 hour timeline who’s media is entirely on an nvme drive will probably ama export in less than 5 minutes.

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  • Sun, Sep 23 2018 2:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    I live and work in Greece and i honestly can't imagine Greek TV putting HD behind it any time soon.
    There are a few commercials or Trailers that come my way in 4K but again i believe the best to way to work those is through proxies, import on a lower res, work, batch and do color correction at the end result.

    HD easilly has another 10 (if not a lot more) years of life in Southern Europe.

  • Sun, Sep 23 2018 2:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and AMD CPU Threadripper 2990WX

    Well, you’ll cry tears of joy making proxies on an 18 core 7980xe.

    its crazy how fast it will do it providing your storage can keep up.

    open up task manager, see every core/thread at 100% and it’s like watching a race horse you bet on winning.

    youll jump out of your seat and yelling at the screen GOOO!!

    soery, these things excite me. 

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