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  • Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:36 PM

    • Lembit Soobik
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    more.. Hardware for Media Composer

    Hi,

    I also have some specific questions on my planned Hardware.

    I plan to get an HP Z800, essentially in line with the Avid recommendatons:

    X5570, FX4800, 12 GB RAM and Windows 7 Pro 64 bit.

    As for the HD, I have thought about Solid State Disk for the OS. This would be a pretty fast storage, however the available SSDs have low capacity, especially when looking for the SLC technology (32 G), which has much longer life than MLC (128 G). Also it would be necessary to configure the OS installation such that writing to this disk is seldom, i.e., pagefile and temp files need to go to a different disk. Also, I do not know how much a fast access to the OS disk will influence the MC speed. If the most effect would be a fast boot, it would not make too much sense. In this case I would go with SATA-II.

    Another question is the drive for Render and source files. Presently I'm using a 2-SATA RAID 0 with a HW controller and I find it much faster. However it is risky: once one disk fails, all data is lost. So I would add  one more disk for backup, which might even be a RAID-1 array, and for these disks I would buy a HW RAID controller.

    Now thinking about the complexity, I might start without the RAID arrays and see how fast the system is, before I make it too complex for the beginning?

    Thank you all for listening and any and all advices are much appreciated :-)

    Lembit 

    MC 8.7 on Windows 10// HP Z800 WS: 2 x Xeon X5570, 48 GB RAM, Quadro FX4800 1.5GB, disks: 1 x 500 GB SATA 7200 = System/ 1 x 1 TB Samsung 840... [view my complete system specs]
  • Wed, Mar 24 2010 6:02 PM In reply to

    Re: more.. Hardware for Media Composer

    Fast boot disk has limited effect on the overall performance of Media Composers. At best it probably helps with the start up of the application.

    I also follow the general wisdom of placing the page file in a second none OS, none media drive.

    For RAID, the ideal is RAID 5 and if you can afford it RAID 6. RAID 5 is pretty accessible now as a lot more mainstream controllers and Intel motherboards support RAID 5.

    RAID 5 allows increased performance while providing some protection.

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  • Wed, Mar 24 2010 6:04 PM In reply to

    Re: more.. Hardware for Media Composer

    You can buy an Intel 80G SSD X25M instead.

    I have seen this working with CS4 and Ultimate 7 64.

    It's really good.

    2-SATA Raid 0 are fine.

    I have e-SATA disks for backups, using 2 e-sata box.

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  • Thu, Mar 25 2010 12:05 PM In reply to

    • gsellis
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    Re: more.. Hardware for Media Composer

    The discussion about SSD has been that 10k drives like the WD's yield similar speed at lower costs.  And reading some of the purchase comments at sites like Newegg show that the SSD drives are not significantly more reliable.  So, 2 drives, mirrored, should be good too.

    As far as RAID being faster, that can be myth.  It really depends on the controller.  RAID was designed for reliability, not speed.  The goal is prevention of data loss.  The "threaded" fetch and writes are a bonus of the reliability, but not always a performance boost.

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  • Thu, Mar 25 2010 12:39 PM In reply to

    Re: more.. Hardware for Media Composer

    gsellis:
    As far as RAID being faster, that can be myth.  It really depends on the controller.  RAID was designed for reliability, not speed.  The goal is prevention of data loss.  The "threaded" fetch and writes are a bonus of the reliability, but not always a performance boost.

    RAID 0 is easy to implement and with even consumer on board controllers and with only 2 drives you get significant bandwidth increase. RAID 5 controllers are not so prevelant as RAID 0 but it is definitely more accessible compared 1-2 years ago. Bandwidth increase is quite good, especially for large files but yes drive latency can be poor when compared to single drive performance. RAID 6 will still require dedicated and pricey control cards.

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  • Thu, Mar 25 2010 7:16 PM In reply to

    Re: more.. Hardware for Media Composer

    I have made enough and simple tests at my Vista and now on W7 64bit installation.

    Single disk or Raid 1 approx. 90-100 mb/s.

    Raid 0 that I use approx. 200-230 mb/s.

    Now to be honest I haven't found that MC behaves better with RAID 0.

    I don't know why. But as a whole the RAID 0, even from plain disks as mine are not a myth.

    In fact it's outstanding George.

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  • Sat, Mar 27 2010 7:50 PM In reply to

    • Lembit Soobik
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    Re: more.. Hardware for Media Composer

    thanks a lot, everybody.

    makes me feel better for ordering th HW now.

    Lembit

    MC 8.7 on Windows 10// HP Z800 WS: 2 x Xeon X5570, 48 GB RAM, Quadro FX4800 1.5GB, disks: 1 x 500 GB SATA 7200 = System/ 1 x 1 TB Samsung 840... [view my complete system specs]
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