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  • Sun, Mar 8 2009 9:44 PM

    • btwien
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    Sony PMW-EX1 and Avid Media Composer 2.8.1

    Hello all,

    I am a Newbie on Avid, and currently working on a video project in Mali, West-Africa.

    To make my (new) Sony PMW-EX1 files work together with Avid Media Composer 2.8.1 I download the Sony Clipbrowser 2.0. Before I bought the new video camera, I specifically asked if the camera and program could 'communicate' with each other and the sales person said it would via the Clipbrowser 2.0.

    Apparently, after trying it several times - following the instructions of a video posted on Youtube on this subject - it is not quite working as it should...

    One person says I need an Avid upgrade to 3.5, to not need to use the Clipbrowser any more.

    Another person said I should buy a higher version of the Clipbrowser, the version V2.0.1....

    What are some insights on this subjects from people using the program and video camera too?

    I did try to export the files as AAF out of the Clipbrowser and import them in the Avid Media files / MXF / 1 folder, but that was not the solution, where the AAF files could not be imported in the MXF folder (wrong format)...

    Next week, I am going to shoot a 2nd health videa and it is quite important for me to get this stuff working.  Unfortunately, we also do not have the opportunity to go to a store and buy a update on Avid to maybe solve my problem, because we are currently living and working in West-Africa.

    Thanks in advance for your insight,

    Ewien

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  • Sun, Mar 8 2009 9:59 PM In reply to

    • DylanReeve
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    Re: Sony PMW-EX1 and Avid Media Composer 2.8.1

    With the Clipbrowser method (requires Clipbrowser 2+ and Media Composer 3.0.5+) you set the OP-Atom output directory in the Clipbrowser to be one of Avid's Mediafiles directorys (D:\Avid MediaFiles\MXF\1 for example) then do the export which creates the AAF files. These AAF files are just metadata and do not need to be in Avid MediaFiles (and shouldn't be) - I save them into My Documents in a folder usually.

    ClipBrowser creates Avid-compatible media directly in Avid's media files directory, and then Avid should index that directory and find the media. You then import the AAF files into a bin which creates the clips associated with that media (you can delete the sequences that are created also).

    Two big HOWEVERs though...

    There are problems with the Avid AAF method from ClipBrowser around the metadata and the ability to recreate or relink those clips at a later date. Instead it is better to use the 'MXF for NLE' method and import the resulting MXF files. I've written about this on my website: XDCAM EX Workflow In Avid

    The second thing is that all of this should be unnecessary with Media Composer 3.5. You can now deal directly with the EX files either straight from the card or if you wish (and I think it's preferable) importing them into Avid's media management.

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  • Mon, Mar 9 2009 11:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sony PMW-EX1 and Avid Media Composer 2.8.1

    I tested EX files in MC 2.8.4 and it worked. I used the ClipBrowser v. 2 and rewrapped the files from MP4 to MXF. When I put the 1080p/30 files to timeline of 1080i/60 project it screamed that mixing progressive footage is not good but it allowed me to continue. So if you get Wrong format message in MC 2.8.1, simply update to 2.8.4 which is for free.

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  • Mon, Mar 9 2009 11:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sony PMW-EX1 and Avid Media Composer 2.8.1

    The XDCAM EX 35Mb codec was first added in MC 2.8.3. This was a completely new codec and not the same codec as the XDCAM HD 35Mb codec. Prior to that release only the 25Mb codec worked because its the same as the HDV codec.

    Its a free update from 2.8.1 to 2.8.4: http://www.avid.com/register/mcsoft_cpr_form.asp

    The AAF files contain the clip information and should not be placed with the MXF files. If you watch my tutorial I export them in a folder on the desktop and import them to a bin. Only the OPAtom MXF files should be in the Avid MediaFiles > MXF > 1 folder.

    Media Composer 3.5 adds native support for the XDCAM EX folder.

    The Sony Clip Browser software is a free download from Sony.

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  • Tue, Mar 10 2009 11:15 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sony PMW-EX1 and Avid Media Composer 2.8.1

    Bob check out the link I posted above. It was our experience that the 'Avid AAF' exported media was absolutely impossible to ever relink. Basically if you lost the generated MXF media then it was never possible to relink to recreated media, even if made from exactly the same files and everything.

    Basically the ClipBrowser application was not including some the Metadata that Media Composer looks for when relinking media, meaning it wouldn't recognise it as the same media. Most obviously this is evident in the fact that clips created this way have no 'Source' or 'Disk Label' data.

    What this meant in practice is that once we'd delete media for a project we were unable to recreate that project despite having backups of each and every EX card. In fact with the information in the clips in Avid it wasn't even possible to tell what EX card a clip had originated from at all.

    I emailed MichaelP about he, he seemed aware and suggested the 'MXF For NLE' option was better as putting Avid in charge of the import meant that metadata was populated correctly and that a Batch Import was possible later.

    All of this should be academic now as it's no longer required as of 3.5, although I've yet to test it.

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  • Tue, Mar 10 2009 11:33 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sony PMW-EX1 and Avid Media Composer 2.8.1

    This is the case with the AAF/OPAtom method, I covered this in the comments section of the tutorial. This is a bug in the clip browser software that Avid has no control over.

    What's interesting is this isn't the case with Interplay. The media can be deleted and if its recreated, the Interplay Indexer will relink the clips. At first I was doing testing with an interplay based system and wasn't seeing the issue with recreating media.

    Here's another bug, if you use the Media Tool and look for all master clips in all projects there are a number clips titled: Sony Voyager. This is baffling and the only reasoning I heard at all was Sony Voyager was the code for the Clip Browser.

    None of this is an issue at all with AMA.

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