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  • Wed, Dec 12 2018 7:44 PM

    • mark.burton
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    Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller?

    Is anyone currently using a monitor controller like this with Media Composer instead of an analog mixer?

    https://spl.audio/studio/smc/?lang=en

     

  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 1:13 AM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    I would be interested in that as well. Or any cheaper alternatives.

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  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 7:23 AM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    I’ve used the cheaper TC Electronics Level Pilot.

    I’m now using a HT pre-amp, because it has built-in audio delay options, plus it accepts audio over HDMI. Not using a mixer.

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  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 12:13 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    That Level Pilot looks so good. I need to cover off 5.1 from now on though.

    I know we've discussed this a bit in the past Job, but you're always tweaking and perfecting your setup so... what HT pre-amp are you using now and does that mean you're not using powered monitor speakers?

    With regards to the SPL SMC, I'm thinking this would work well with an AJA IO 4K, using the analogue DB-25 ouput to XLR and then connecting these to the analogue XLR inpus via the D-Sub 25 on the SMC.

    I generally Blackmagic boxes as they are quieter (please fix yours fans AJA), but I'd have to start using de-embedders for BMD.

    Still hopefull someone here has some experience and feedback on this box, it just looks like exactly what I'd want, but the devil is always in the details.

  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 1:06 PM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    mark.burton:
    I know we've discussed this a bit in the past Job, but you're always tweaking and perfecting your setup so... what HT pre-amp are you using now and does that mean you're not using powered monitor speakers?

    Hi Mark,

    I've got a Denon A7100 on one system and a Marantz AV8003 on my main system. Those are pre-amps with XLR outputs, so they drive my active speakers that way (I feed them HDMI). There's a whole bunch of high end home theater pre-amps* from Marantz, Yamaha and Onkyo/Integra that have XLR outputs. You can generally pick up older 5.1 models for not too much money, as current models are all 11.2 Atmos equipped etc.

    mark.burton:
    the devil is always in the details.
    I'd say: delay. You somehow still need to compensate for the program monitor's delay.

    I'd been wishing for a box like the SPL ones, but one that would accept HDSDI and/or HDMI, and had analogue outputs, as it would be nice to have main volume on the desk.

    The Level Pilot is OK, but indeed stereo, and you don't have any 'fixed' levels, whereas on the SPL (or on my pre-amps) you can have a few calibrated settings (I like to have 78dB and 85dB on there).

     

     

     

    *Pre-amps that appear to have XLR outputs: Marantz AV7005, 8003, 7701, 7702, 7703, 8801, 8802, Onkyo 5508, 5509 (same machines as Integra 80.2 and 80.3 -- or so I was told), Yamaha CX-A5000, A5100).

    Denon Professional used to make the A7100 pre-amp, then the DN-500av pre-amp, then the DN-A700av -- but not sure if the latter has a manually controllable lipsync feature. The A7100 gave me an issue, as it would not accept 7.1 audio over HDMI (only 5.1), and the Nitris DX would only send out 2 or 8 channels (and the same applied to an AJA HDSDI->HDMI converter I have). There are boxes that let you modify the signal so it always presents itself as 5.1, but all of that becomes a hassle. My AV8003 eats the 7.1 PCM audio over HDMI anyway.

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  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 3:19 PM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    We are using both the SPL 5.1 and 7.1 version.

    Both are wonderful, while the 7.1 is a bit more polished and more bells and whistles.

     

    We use SDI de-embedders to feed it. Use Terranex to create a delay when needed. Patching is done through the video SDI router.

     

     

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  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 3:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    Hey Job, thanks for chiming in. First, I was under the impression that they wouldn't accept PCM 5.1 over HDMI but being a non-issue that is very nice to know. 

    How does a HT pre-amp help when leveling mikes and rough footage? With my mixer, I am constantly changing levels to avoid the dynamics of the direct sound. Do you use the levels on those pre-amps to control this or it comes treated by an assistant to you? Do would you keep the big preamp box within reach on you table?

    Cheers,

    Eduardo.

     

     

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  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 7:06 PM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    I use the main volume knob as the main volume controller. But honestly, I generally just keep it at 78dB. I have channel strips in my dialogue channels, doing EQ (cut lows, roll off highs), a bit of expansion (noise reduction), and some compression. Often adding a de-esser, or sometimes the McDSP SA2 dialogue processor. Then I use clip gain to adjust levels where neede and sometimes ride Volume Automation on top of that. After cutting the scene, obviously.

    I used to work with a mixer, in Direct Out, but wanted my levels to be more consistent when moving between systems, and when exporting.

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  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 7:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    Dom Q. Silverio:

    We are using both the SPL 5.1 and 7.1 version.

    Both are wonderful, while the 7.1 is a bit more polished and more bells and whistles.

    Ah Dom, thank you for confirming. Thats great to hear. I'm pretty sold on these and have just heard about another large production who have gone this route as well which fills me with confidence.

  • Thu, Dec 13 2018 7:18 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    Job ter Burg:

    mark.burton:
    I know we've discussed this a bit in the past Job, but you're always tweaking and perfecting your setup so... what HT pre-amp are you using now and does that mean you're not using powered monitor speakers?

    Hi Mark,

    I've got a Denon A7100 on one system and a Marantz AV8003 on my main system. Those are pre-amps with XLR outputs, so they drive my active speakers that way (I feed them HDMI). There's a whole bunch of high end home theater pre-amps* from Marantz, Yamaha and Onkyo/Integra that have XLR outputs. You can generally pick up older 5.1 models for not too much money, as current models are all 11.2 Atmos equipped etc.

    mark.burton:
    the devil is always in the details.
    I'd say: delay. You somehow still need to compensate for the program monitor's delay.

    I'd been wishing for a box like the SPL ones, but one that would accept HDSDI and/or HDMI, and had analogue outputs, as it would be nice to have main volume on the desk.

    The Level Pilot is OK, but indeed stereo, and you don't have any 'fixed' levels, whereas on the SPL (or on my pre-amps) you can have a few calibrated settings (I like to have 78dB and 85dB on there).

    *Pre-amps that appear to have XLR outputs: Marantz AV7005, 8003, 7701, 7702, 7703, 8801, 8802, Onkyo 5508, 5509 (same machines as Integra 80.2 and 80.3 -- or so I was told), Yamaha CX-A5000, A5100).

    Denon Professional used to make the A7100 pre-amp, then the DN-500av pre-amp, then the DN-A700av -- but not sure if the latter has a manually controllable lipsync feature. The A7100 gave me an issue, as it would not accept 7.1 audio over HDMI (only 5.1), and the Nitris DX would only send out 2 or 8 channels (and the same applied to an AJA HDSDI->HDMI converter I have). There are boxes that let you modify the signal so it always presents itself as 5.1, but all of that becomes a hassle. My AV8003 eats the 7.1 PCM audio over HDMI anyway.

    Thanks for all this Job, amazing info as always. I'm sure this post alone will save a bunch of us many future headaches trying to figure out why a certain piece of kit won't do what we think it should!!!

     

  • Fri, Feb 22 2019 11:41 AM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    Since Nitris, I've geneally used Blackmagic / Avid DNxIO boxes and always found them whisper quiet and reliable. However due to the limited audio outputs, I'd need to change the hardware to a system that supports 8CH analogue audio outputs. AJA have the best IO boxes for this as far as I can see.

    Last year I tried an AJA IO 4K and 4K Plus and found the fans were unacceptably loud / whiney in both. We sent them back to the supplier and tried again with replacements - really no difference.

    For anyone that is using one of these boxes, have AJA finally addressed this design issue? Does anyone have an IO 4K or 4K plus that operates without loud fans and a constant whining noise? Are the Avid branded units any different, or do they exhibit the same issue?

    Beyond de-embedding (twice?), what are the modern Avid solutions to getting 8CH of balanced analogue audio out of MC?(Nitris is not an option I would consider now).

  • Fri, Feb 22 2019 1:26 PM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    mark.burton:
    what are the modern Avid solutions to getting 8CH of balanced analogue audio out of MC?

    I'd say a disembedder. Or, as I wrote earlier, take HDMI from the I/O box and feed it to a pre/pro with balanced outs.

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  • Fri, Feb 22 2019 1:36 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    We have powered monitor speakers, would the pro/pro setup not be incompatible with that and also be another volume control on the chain? I'm looking for the cleanest route from MC to 6 x balanced XLR analogue.

  • Fri, Feb 22 2019 1:41 PM In reply to

    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    mark.burton:
    We have powered monitor speakers,

    Sure, and those have XLR inputs, right? So you go HDMI into a pre/pro with balanced outputs, and you use the pre/pro as the level controller. Balanced outputs straight into the active monitors. It's how I do it.

    mark.burton:
    another volume control on the chain?
    I'm suggesting in stead of any other controller.

    mark.burton:
    I'm looking for the cleanest route from MC to 6 x balanced XLR analogue.

    I'd say a disembedder, then into a monitor level controller.

    Or the pre/pro as I described.

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  • Fri, Feb 22 2019 1:46 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone working with SPL Electronics SMC 2489 Monitor Controller with MC?

    Got it. What pre/pro do you use?

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