I'm taking delivery of a new Sony FS7 4K camera next week. I'm currently running Symphony 7. What version of MC/Symphony works with the FS7's 4K footage?
I will be transcoding the 4K down to 1920x1080 29.97fps for delivery to broadcast. For monitoring, I have a Matrox Mini MX02 and a HDTV. Will I still be able to monitor the 4K project through the Matrox (in HD of course) or will I have to down-res first? Having just spent $$$ on the camera, I don't have a budget to update the I/O hardware yet.
Thanks.
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Looks like the Sony AMA plugin latest version still supoorts MC V7.04 so you maybe in luck
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/pdzk-ma2
You can AMA the 4K footage in but everything in MC will be HD (you need to be on V8 to have anything above HD)
So with V7 your project format can only be HD no 4K option. The 4K AMA'd content will scale to HD in your timeline.
Also take care you have no higher then 29.97fps sources. I think the camera can do 59.94P fps...
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Pat,
i see you are running Symphony 8.4. Do you find it to be as stable of ver 7?
Hey Terry,
I've been really happy with MC 8.4.1. I'll make a few comments about moving to 4K.
1-you might find your MXO2 mini of questionable reliability with MC8
2-unless you have the need to deliver in 4K, I see no reason to not be happy with MC7. Workflow that downscales 4K footage to HD, as soon as possible in the chain, is what's recommended, if HD is the delivery format. MC does a fine job of downscaling.
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cuervo: 1-you might find your MXO2 mini of questionable reliability with MC8
Just FYI I´m doing delayed livestreams direct out from my Matrox Mini , works terrific well on my old MBP, I can even add an Avid CC layer, trim a little, and play out unrendered in rt.
Tomas
mjolnarn: cuervo: 1-you might find your MXO2 mini of questionable reliability with MC8 Just FYI I´m doing delayed livestreams direct out from my Matrox Mini , works terrific well on my old MBP, I can even add an Avid CC layer, trim a little, and play out unrendered in rt.
Tomas,
I had terrible luck with my mxo2 mini. I would have to restart MC several times before MC would recognize it. And, every time Avid made a version upgrade, the mxo2 would quit working and Matrox was incredibly slow at updating their firmware.
cuervo: mjolnarn: cuervo: 1-you might find your MXO2 mini of questionable reliability with MC8 Just FYI I´m doing delayed livestreams direct out from my Matrox Mini , works terrific well on my old MBP, I can even add an Avid CC layer, trim a little, and play out unrendered in rt. Tomas, I had terrible luck with my mxo2 mini. I would have to restart MC several times before MC would recognize it. And, every time Avid made a version upgrade, the mxo2 would quit working and Matrox was incredibly slow at updating their firmware.
Ok, was this on Mac or PC , I can recall that I had to do a total wipe of the drivers on the PC side once, got all the steps and procedures from Wayne .
After that, all worked well once again so this was a one time hickup, maybe you also ran into that one
yeah, sorry...this was all on a PC, win7-64
Terry Snyder: Pat, i see you are running Symphony 8.4. Do you find it to be as stable of ver 7?
Noting like as stable but we can't live without the new features. An SSD boot drive makes a system restart not the end of the world. V8.4.2 has fixed a lot of the issues with 3rd party I/O
Pat Horridge:Noting like as stable but we can't live without the new features.
Opinions on forum postings seem to differ--version 8 has been touted as very stable by some and not as stable by others. That's why I still haven't jumped up from 7.
Hi Terry, I have an F5 with the 4K upgrade; it looks like our systems are close to the same. 4K has not been a problem using 8.4, I mostly shoot 4K for 1080 and re-frame some of the footage. Using Flex Frame I'm able to create smooth zooms from static shots. 8.4 also allows you proxy edit 4K at 1080. I have been looking at SSD drives, they are cheep under $400 per TB and thinking of buying 3 of them and put them into a RAID configuration, I'm guessing if I use this RAID setup as a media drive for 4K footage it would improve my performance?
I’ve been extremely impressed with 8.4, I had a shoot out on the west coast a few weeks ago, and with a tight turn around I started editing on the plane with my MacBook Pro. When I got back I moved my project files to my main Windows computer, AMA all of the footage in, and everything linked up. These where a group of 14 minute multi-cam timeline edits.
Loved the dog footage, I also have a friend like yours that stays with me while I edit, waiting for her afternoon walk.
BTW congratulations on the FS7 purchase!
Steve Cocklin
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For what it's worth, I had very good experiences with 8.3 and 8.4 when doing 4K productions. I use the built-in DNxHR 1/4 proxy mode for editing and transcoding, relink back to the original (and turn off proxy mode) when done.
My only differing advice is to avoid frameflex completely. Reframing using 3D warp works just as well, and it always carries over into other apps (such as Resolve) without issue, unlike frameflex.
scocklin:I mostly shoot 4K for 1080
I have to deliver TV Commercials in 1080, so I'm getting the FS7 not so much for 4K as for camera's more cinematic gamma curve, lens options, etc. When you deliver 1080 from 4K, do you downconvert in Avid or use an external encoder like Squeeze? My current workflow is to export an Avid same-as-source and use Sorenson to encode to the broadcaster's specs.
Terry Snyder: scocklin:I mostly shoot 4K for 1080 When you deliver 1080 from 4K, do you downconvert in Avid or use an external encoder like Squeeze?
When you deliver 1080 from 4K, do you downconvert in Avid or use an external encoder like Squeeze?
I export 1080 same as source out of Avid and let Sorenson handel the compression for broadcast or web specs. I make sure my preset inside the format tab is set for 1080 with the correct frame rate before I export. I've never worked with Symphony 7, does it have the format tab on the project window?
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